Fight For Your Life timer question

[revnant]

What is the criteria for getting your Fight For Your Life timer back to normal (other than dying / save-quit and resuming)? There were a few times where I go down about 4 times in a row so the I would expect the timer to be getting pretty short. So what I did was just wait for a few minutes without fighting / going down and hoping it would go back to the normal duration ... but it doesn't...

[revnant]

Diposting pertama kali oleh HiTmAn:

each time u go down i belive u ffyl is horter for about 20% up to 5 times if u go down u can get second wind after that is insta death and timer reset after 5 min i think someone mentioned in jolts stream..idle or fight dosent matter just be save for about 5min

But this doesn't seem to match my experience unfortunately... I know I've waited more than 5 minutes and I've instantly bled out before.

[Zen_Disaster]

Diposting pertama kali oleh revnant:

What is the criteria for getting your Fight For Your Life timer back to normal (other than dying / save-quit and resuming)? There were a few times where I go down about 4 times in a row so the I would expect the timer to be getting pretty short. So what I did was just wait for a few minutes without fighting / going down and hoping it would go back to the normal duration ... but it doesn't...

This helps some players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXxghZxG_GI but it's always been very glitchy for me.

[Bringoutyerded]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zen_Disaster:

Diposting pertama kali oleh revnant:

What is the criteria for getting your Fight For Your Life timer back to normal (other than dying / save-quit and resuming)? There were a few times where I go down about 4 times in a row so the I would expect the timer to be getting pretty short. So what I did was just wait for a few minutes without fighting / going down and hoping it would go back to the normal duration ... but it doesn't...

This helps some players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXxghZxG_GI but it's always been very glitchy for me.

Thanks for posting this Zen.

[revnant]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zen_Disaster:

Diposting pertama kali oleh revnant:

What is the criteria for getting your Fight For Your Life timer back to normal (other than dying / save-quit and resuming)? There were a few times where I go down about 4 times in a row so the I would expect the timer to be getting pretty short. So what I did was just wait for a few minutes without fighting / going down and hoping it would go back to the normal duration ... but it doesn't...

This helps some players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXxghZxG_GI but it's always been very glitchy for me.

Thanks for the video. It's somewhat informative but if that's how it works, it's glitchy for me too especially if he say changing zones or wait just 20s without going into FFYL will reset the FFYL. That really didn't match what I saw.

[HelmsDerp]

Relatedly, albeit only tangentially so, Axton and Krieg have skills that give them a substantial boost while in FFYL, and there are a number of items that can increase the timer by quite a lot if worn by a full party. It's undoubtedly a niche build but I think it would be fun to see a party comp dedicated to FFYL power cycling.

[revnant]

Diposting pertama kali oleh HelmsDerp:

Relatedly, albeit only tangentially so, Axton and Krieg have skills that give them a substantial boost while in FFYL, and there are a number of items that can increase the timer by quite a lot if worn by a full party. It's undoubtedly a niche build but I think it would be fun to see a party comp dedicated to FFYL power cycling.

So something like a full party with Sheriff's / Deputy badges or Tentacity / Heart of Ancient relics on top of Axtons and Kriegs with skills? That would be interesting.

[HelmsDerp]

I got to thinking about it because I just cleared the Clan War missions to get a Slaga and Maggie (Trying to solo the Peak, on OP 4 now) and noticed the Aequitas and Veritas also give 10% bonus FFYL time per item equipped. Even assuming it's all additive instead of multiplicative, having a party of four with shield, gun and relic slot each giving 10% would mean a 120% boost to time. So something like two Axtons, a Krieg, and a Maya hiding in the background with Res just in case. Axton can get a massive boost to gun damage with a Pointman or Veteran Com, and Krieg runs around chucking dynamite. Probably far more trouble than it's worth, but an interesting thought.

[PatchAdams]

Diposting pertama kali oleh HelmsDerp:

Probably far more trouble than it's worth, but an interesting thought.

You'd think everyone would be going into FFYL a _lot_ more, simply by not putting out the damage you could with better gear and relics. Might be an interesting experiment in niche builds, though ("deathgating" as opposed to healthgating?).

[HelmsDerp]

I figure it would be more useful against large single targets, something like the Terramorphous fight. You want to be in FFYL longer, both because that's where you get the damage buffs and because you want to maximize the timer by going down less often (can't go down as long as you're already down) Mob fights you're just playing the mole side of whack-a-mole to no real benefit. Plus if you're in group against a boss you can hopefully cycle who has aggro and is down but dealing more damage. Krieg taking Redeem the Soul can pop somebody up at the end of their timer, then take a turn himself, complete with the 50% time extension.

...The more I think about this the more I really want to try it just to see if it's a viable (as distinct from optimal) raid strategy.

[Zen_Disaster]

Diposting pertama kali oleh revnant:

Diposting pertama kali oleh HelmsDerp:

Relatedly, albeit only tangentially so, Axton and Krieg have skills that give them a substantial boost while in FFYL, and there are a number of items that can increase the timer by quite a lot if worn by a full party. It's undoubtedly a niche build but I think it would be fun to see a party comp dedicated to FFYL power cycling.

So something like a full party with Sheriff's / Deputy badges or Tentacity / Heart of Ancient relics on top of Axtons and Kriegs with skills? That would be interesting.

Yes to both. And it's not confined to Kriegs & Axtons as most classes have some sort(s) of similar skill buffs. Take an example - applies to all classes / levels / modes - if a Team Leader has a Sheriff's Badge equipped & his three team mates all have Deputy's Badges equipped, all four players gain 60%+ buffs to FFYL time & Max Health. It's 15 % per player (x all four) on an additive basis if equipped as mentioned. Have fun

[Mylar]

Admittedly, I haven't read this entire thread and this vid is 5 years old, but here's a study of FFYL mechanics that Bahroo did. Maybe it'll be of some help (relevent bit starts at 4:04):

https://youtu.be/LXxghZxG_GI?t=4m4s

[Mylar]

My bad, already posted :P Carry on.

[Zen_Disaster]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mylar:

Admittedly, I haven't read this entire thread and this vid is 5 years old, but here's a study of FFYL mechanics that Bahroo did. Maybe it'll be of some help (relevent bit starts at 4:04): ... snip Bahroo's Paid-For Video snip ...

Kevlar ~~~ You can leave the oldies but goodies to Snr Disaster :P And I didn't even give it a rave review - there's actually only one good vid I've ever seen on FFYL mechanics but it's in a mysterious foreign language so I didn't wanna bother the ...erm... *community*! =D

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

I just had an instance that I recorded where there was a 5 minute and 10 second gap between the 4th FFYL and the 5th one. The 5th one insta killed me. The timer didn't reset in that time.

This has been my observation for a long time that the timer is probably on the order of 10-15 minutes.

It seems odd that Admiral Bahroo says its 20 seconds. Could this have been patched or changed with an update? Is it bugged now or then? Is it just some peoples games that are bugged?

[Nite69]

Killing is what keeps the timer up. meaning if ya fall into FIght for your life a second time too fast it will drain faster

You can get the tenacity relic too, I found one that increases my Fight for your life health by 120%