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He lies about how much involvement he had in opening the first vault. Sometimes he lies that he had less involvement, intentionally downplaying his role and his importance. He does this because his plan to take over Hyperion isn't ready to be revealed yet. (At least not at the time he presents himself as being less involved (or not involved at all)).
Later on, he lies about how much he had to do with it, presenting himself as the sole hero who knew what the first Vault was, and the sole hero who was able to defeat the monster inside. (See the historical tour mission in Opportunity).
Anthony Burch was the primary writer for both BL2 and BL:TPS.
It's entirely possible that there are some real plot holes and inconsistencies, but I think what you're looking at is simply examples of Jack lying.
I did consider that maybe it was all just Jack lying, but then I i thought about the start of TPS, where he really did seem like a coward, and new to the whole thing. I'm not saying that it definitely couldn't have been part of his big plan, but the Jack that we see at the start of TPS just doesn't seem capable of pulling off a stunt like controlling angel and tricking the original vault hunters into openning the vault.
it's not until later in the (TPS) story that we start to see the Jack that we all know and love from Borderlands 2. I mean, all his lying and huge ego could've stemmed from the knowledge that Elpis' vault gave him, which probably would've included what transpired during the timeline of Borderlands 1, allowing him to claim credit
He tells Athena that he's a low level programer. Yet everything else points to the fact that he's not. Tassider seems to consider him the primary Hyperion Executive officer on Helios station. Jack himself claims to be the head of the division that pays the Merrif's pension. And as you play, it's clear that Jack has been doing all sorts of things that only someone in charge of Helios would be capable of. The Eye of Helios being the biggest example. But he's also got a body double on order, at company expense. He also offers Wilhelm "a couple million bucks".
It's quite possible that he's really never been actually shot at prior to the attack by Dahl forces, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been in charage and hasn't been pulling the strings.
In my opinion, what he's trying to do with the BL:TPS vault hunters is to conduct an investigation "off the books" so that Tassider doesn't figure out what he's doing and so that he's got at least some legal plausability in saying that it was a private project and is, thus, all his, assuming it ends up paying off. He's happy to cheat, and use Hyperion resources, but he doesn't want to have to SHARE it with Hyperion, and at the start of BL:TPS, he doesn't yet have complete control.
On a more meta level, yes, his involvment in the cannon story really is something of a retcon. But the writer aknowledges that. That's part of what makes the Historical mission in Opprotunity so amusing. Jack is a retcon, but he's also re-writing his own history so that he was always a part of it. He writes himself into the story: Therefore he is. The amusing part is how hamhanded he is about it.
Sure, but who cares?
Speculating about it is fun for me. So is dismantling the story and seeing which mechancis work, and which ones don't.
It's no more complex than an action movie or a comic book, but hey, those can be fun sometimes.
Conspiracy!!!!
When someone gets away with something against the rules, people say "where's the ref?" That is not saying you don't know what a ref is, but that you think the ref was not there/paying attention.
edit: ^^^YES, it's a CONSPIRACY!^^^
About not being involved with it - he can't say truth because that will expose Angel - and you don't expose your secret Siren just for storytelling.
The thing is, if we remove Zarpedon from the TPS, we get this:
- manager (Jack) exploited his secret Siren to trick some people into opening Vault.
- this lead to Eridium outbreak, which made Pandora mining target (again), and Hyperion arrived to reap profits.
- Jack, as one to lead company to those profits, was given Helios and resources - which is not all that Hyperion have, i think it's more like branch office on space station. So - promoted to branch office XO after gaining profits for company - totally believable.
- he used those resources to raise personal security (body double)
- also, he constructed Eye of Helios - to combat Pandora surface dangers to Hyperion assets. If you are Hyperion engineer and your eridian mine is approached by something like Vermivorous - you will want that eye in the sky =)
- and then he tried to gather even more resources by opening Vault on Elpis - by recruiting outside help.
All in all, I don't think that he was going to take over Hyperion by force. If he got eridium, Eye of Helios, working Helios, slag experiments, Elpis vault (and, possibly, Vault of the Warrior) - he was totally on track to taking over Hyperion by merit.
Your complaint isn't uncommon. Anthony Burch, lead developer of BL2, had never played BL1 and was only vaguely familiar with the canon thru reading the BL1 wiki.
If Angel was communicating with the original vault hunters from a satellite in space, what's to say that Jack already had control of Helios -with Angel on board, and was on his way to Pandora. however, this still leads to the fact that jack had no idea about the 2nd vault on Pandora until AFTER he openned the one in TPS.
When he indirectly caused opening of first Vault - he used very little resources, 1 Hyperion satellite, and one Siren. Basically, he can treat that as side project, which gives HUGE profits for zero work on his part. He doesn't care much for the Vaults themselves - in BL1 and start of TPS he see them as target of opportunity. He will try to open any known Vault, but he doesn't commit to it. Look at Vault hunters of TPS - they are not here for adventure, unlike BL1 crew. They do it for money - mostly. There is Claptrap. You don't send Claptrap on important tasks. So, Jack at the start of TPS doesn't know about second Vault on Pandora - and doesn't care much about known Vault on Elpis.He starts to care when Eye of Helios gets destroyed by first VaultHunters - and he pursue Elpis Vault to deny to them it's riches. Basically, TPS is a story about "How Jack became a Vault Hunter".
It's a plothole because in TPS, Jack claims he knew nothing of the first vault, or its existence until after it openned, which is contrary to his claim (in BL2) that he and Angel tricked the first VH into openning the first vault.
this, of course, can be explained away with the easy use of 'Jack lies', which somebody else brought up already, but i was just getting annoyed at how they'd create (at least what i think to be) a needlessly complex plot hole, and such a boring explanation for it.
because of this, anything that we've learned from jack in the Borderlands universe can be reversed/changed, all under the premise that 'he lies'.