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or get stunk to death by Shiv-Spike (which is hilariously worst)
Andi know what Jack did, i already played 2 times trought the game and one time trough BL1. He claimed that he defeated The Destroyer, claimed all rights for the planet and was a rich man after that. What a scumbag:/
Oh, I agree, but there are those who think that jack, is a hero that was betrayed.
He saved pandora from destruction by zarpedon. If he didn't who would? Who else had the power and influence that jack had?
Yes, he intially tricked vault hunters and betrayed them.
But I mean come on.
If a swat team of 4 is going to storm a room who is more likely to be shot the first to run in or the following?
Of course you want to send somebody else in.
The joker bank heist.
He kills the russian mafia leader as an exorcise of power, but also is there to ensure that he doesn't have to pay the other gunsmen.
This just makes sense, I mean come on. I wouldn't want to pay these groveling worms either if I am the one who is completely in power.
Jack may have somewhat of a god complex, but I think he does have a sense of humour and keeps himself at least somewhat mentally in check until he is betrayed by the vault hunters of pre sequel. This is the point where he kind of say's "oh you think I'm the bad guy? I'll show you bad guy!"
Roland is reluctant to assist jack, but play's his part because he knows it is for the future of pandora.
As B2 unfolds we initially do not know anything more than jack had left a new set of vault hunters for dead.
As we play the hero of the world who takes on jack, reality of it is we are no more tied into the story line than vaan of FF12 is. We kind of just get wrapped up into this bigger story as a hired gun who get's wrapped up in taking out the bloodshots and being recruited to the crimson raiders.
I too feel bad for killing angel, this is me is the highlight sad part of the story.
It is an unfortunate neccesary mercy kill.
Angel DID say "no matter what, do not allow lilith to enter my chambers.".
We had to kill angel to stop the charging process. But also would you not be willing to kill her to end her life of suffering?
Her last words to her father is "you're an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥".
Which he is, but that's okay.. Jack is probably the most dynamic character in the story to me.
If lilith had not went into angel core, Jack would have been stopped right there.
Opposed to searching for the location of the warrior, we likely would have went into looking for a sustainable source of power cores to protect sanctuary and take out jack directly knowing that he would retaliate toward the "child murderer".
Listen carefully to jack's tone of voice immediately after you kill angel.
If you listen to him while you are fighting the robots he comes off as arrogant, still the winner, he thinks he is still the hero (god complex). As soon as you kill angel, he shots roland in the back of the chest, enslaves lilth and delivers his new approach.
You can hear the determination in hois voice that he will charge the key and wipe out every last one of you scumbags.
Jacks first fall from grace is when he get's punched in the face.
Second we murder his daughter.
Then later we kill him and steal his treasure map to other vaults.
What more could we do to kick the guy really?
By that time, he had pumped so much of that crap in to her, she needed it to live. As she said, Jack had long ago killed her, you just released her from her suffering. Yes, still sad, but on Jack, not us.
Greed, lust for power, ego, narcissism,and a chip on one's shoulder are not a good mix for understanding from me for anyone.
Just on the issue of Angel in this story, someone wiliing to enslave, use, and harm their own daughter? There are people now doing these things in real-life. Yikes to people that somehow find empathy in that.
[sar] Yes, poor Jack [/sar]
All these things are a failure for humanity in real-life, let alone a game. If he were real, there is indeed much more that could be done to kick the guy.
trukr both was and is right.
Meant to address this.
Vault hunters are vault hunters. That's.. what they do. They hunt vault's.
"you survived that tain ride with me because I wanted you to"
"don't listen to roland. You CAN defeat wilhelm"
"there is something unique about this power core, unlike anything I've seen before."
So again, when jack leaves you for dead I do believe he intends for you to die, simply to get you out of the way. He does not need you meddling around and unmasking him in the end like some scooby doo BS. He is already building the city of opportunity, his vanity project. He has the key, he is charging it. He is capable of kidnapping roland who is leading the resistance against him.
In jack's eye's he has already won.
He has alway's had all this power but was unable to express it under hyperion and blakes leadership.
After killing blake, Jack is the man. He is the #1, nothing and nobody will stand in his way.
And he is intelligent enough to seek out threats and eliminate them pre emptively.
What he does not anticipate, is that with your help. Claptrap is able to get to his home in sactuary.
He does not expect you enter the lare of the firehawk, whom he already knows is a badass siren.
He does not expect you to be recruited by the crimson raiders. He expects you to die.
"hey buddy. How's it goin? Do ya think you'll freeze to death out there? Nah bandit's will probably kill you first.".
But once you are in sanctuary and close to roland, you are the ♥♥♥♥♥ in the armor Jack needs to get close to his targets and exploits this.
Once roland is rescued and he wnts to make a play he tasks you with speaking to his informant in the tundra express. Which is Mordecai who also happens to have an informant from hyperion. Which as we know is false information leading you to wilhelm.
Wilhelm is expendable to jack. He just doesn't care.
So wilhelm will either kill you now and eliminate you as a threat. OR You will kill wilhelm and eliminate wilhelm as a threat to jacks intentions. And you get this power core which will remove the shield over sanctuary. So that he can kill roland and eliminate the threat to his plan!
I think more than anything he wants you dead because if Jack does not kill you.
Roland being an ex-vault hunter has connections to vault hunters and could recruit you to the resistance.
So Jack tries to kill you, and you accidently get swept into being recruited by roland joining the resistance.
This is actually one of the reasons why I love borderlands. The writing, the intertwining stories.
The young unexpected hero who steps up and saves the world.
The "villain" who is a hero, then villain, then hero, then villain, who takes actions to advance his own gains. But in the end it is his actions that lead to his undoing.
There are so many accidents and hiccups that occur along the way that proceed the story.
This is so seperate from standard story telling that you cannot help but be compelled by it.
And this is all accompanied by badass gameplay and supportive developers.
Angel, like many other characters, were just used as a tool by Jack to achieve his goals. His small comedy about caring her and blaming the Vault Hunters were a bad joke to begin with, but at least he tried.
Regardless, by that time, Angel would die anyway the moment she'd be disconnected from that machine.
All things considered, we set her free from slavery, which she actually asked for, with the unfortunate fact that it also costs her life....it's a sad scene indeed, but still the better outcome.