Having problems with the Duke of Orc?

[Bringoutyerded]

This reply was initially in response to EGC who was having problems in the Tina DLC with the Duke of Orc.....


Baddies do scale to your level in UVHM, but are often 1-4 (or more) levels higher than you.

There are some who can level up even higher, far higher. These are few and far between though.

You can kite him easily when encountered either at the start of the mines, in the bloodfruit camp, or at the start of the Keep.

Then it's slag plus your damage weapons. Even regular gear works. I like taking him on using a Sawbar and a Greed pistol, along with fastball 'nades and a Big Boom Blaster shield.

For instance, at the mines, you can lead him back to where the vending machines are. You can go back up the ramp, circle around in a counterclockwise direction and jump down again. He won't follow you over the ledge, but turns around and runs back down the ramp. This gives you some time to slag and damage him, before you kite him around the rock island and back up the ramp. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Similar process really where ever you encounter him.

One of the most useful skills to develop in this game is kiting. I practiced doing this when I had trouble with him too, not even shooting at him. I just wanted to see how long I could stay alive.

The answer was indefinitely. A confidence booster.

[Nite69]

Yea it was me that had that thread, but I found out it was like those other enemys in base game, They level up if you don't kill them fast enough, thats all it was

Deleted the thread cause I realized what happened

[Bringoutyerded]

Originally posted by =EGC= _Nite_:

Yea it was me that had that thread, but I found out it was like those other enemys in base game, They level up if you don't kill them fast enough, thats all it was

Deleted the thread cause I realized what happened

Good to hear that you got it figured out.

Didn't want to waste my response. Perhaps someone else may find it helpful.

[Warmonger]

They are clearly out of proportion with the rest of teh game. When I first encountered them, in most cases couldn't kill them without glitching. Now surely they can be behawked and bloodsploded, but that requires very good gear / build and some prior knowledge to where they spawn.

[Nite69]

They are a little bit better now, I got lucky and got the balanced slagga from the Golden Golem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1358409113

[ZarahNeander]

Originally posted by Warmonger:

They are clearly out of proportion with the rest of teh game. .

Maybe, but just treat it as a friendly reminder of the devs, that you don't have to kill *everything*

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

When I farming Bee shields by the Orc village in teh Forest I usually clear out the rest of the Orcs until the Little Stumpy and Treants show up. Get the Duke to agro on them and then carpet bomb the whole place.

His jump attack and AOE is just devasting. There seems no way to get far away from it. I wish there was better loot in his drops. There really is no incentive to let him fully evolve.

[revnant]

Originally posted by Fredericks of Cursewood:

When I farming Bee shields by the Orc village in teh Forest I usually clear out the rest of the Orcs until the Little Stumpy and Treants show up. Get the Duke to agro on them and then carpet bomb the whole place.

His jump attack and AOE is just devasting. There seems no way to get far away from it. I wish there was better loot in his drops. There really is no incentive to let him fully evolve.

I think the AOEs on some of the enemies is a bit BS, sometimes you look to be clearly out of range of the attack and it still hits you...

[ZarahNeander]

Originally posted by revnant:

There really is no incentive to let him fully evolve.

There really is no incentive to deal with them at all. Thankfully you only have to deal with him 1x/playthrough.

First time, I kite him (the one in the camp). If that fails, I run back to Devlin, grenade jump over the fence, he runs back on the path, but gets bogged down in the treant invasion.

After that I accept 'tree hugger', but dont pickup the sapling. Voila, no more orcs apart from a lone orczercer, undisturbed bee farming.

The 2nd one is afaik in the dwarven mines, I ignore everything there and run straight to clappie, never failed.

[Arod Snaux]

Another strategy... simply kite him to a treant, and slag him to death while they duke it out. Farm treants first if you still have problems, as they have an increased chance of dropping a bee shield which will melt him fast so long as he is not focused on you.

[Wilder King]

Originally posted by ZarahNeander:

Originally posted by revnant:

There really is no incentive to let him fully evolve.

There really is no incentive to deal with them at all. Thankfully you only have to deal with him 1x/playthrough.

First time, I kite him (the one in the camp). If that fails, I run back to Devlin, grenade jump over the fence, he runs back on the path, but gets bogged down in the treant invasion.

After that I accept 'tree hugger', but dont pickup the sapling. Voila, no more orcs apart from a lone orczercer, undisturbed bee farming.

The 2nd one is afaik in the dwarven mines, I ignore everything there and run straight to clappie, never failed.

There is absolutely no incentive to kill or defeat any bosses that do not drop legendary gear regularly. Hell theres hardly any incentives present for the first 2 times you play this game other than golden keys.

I played as gaige and killed him easily with Anarchy stacks. In fact, Gaige is probably the best character available in the game statistically.

My recomendation, start over and play as Gaige if you have the guts to play this game another 3 times, but hell I know people who do it to torture themselves all the time so idk

[Bringoutyerded]

Originally posted by ฝٱɭɗﻉɼ 𝔎ٱกﻭ:

Originally posted by ZarahNeander:

There really is no incentive to deal with them at all. Thankfully you only have to deal with him 1x/playthrough.

First time, I kite him (the one in the camp). If that fails, I run back to Devlin, grenade jump over the fence, he runs back on the path, but gets bogged down in the treant invasion.

After that I accept 'tree hugger', but dont pickup the sapling. Voila, no more orcs apart from a lone orczercer, undisturbed bee farming.

The 2nd one is afaik in the dwarven mines, I ignore everything there and run straight to clappie, never failed.

There is absolutely no incentive to kill or defeat any bosses that do not drop legendary gear regularly. Hell theres hardly any incentives present for the first 2 times you play this game other than golden keys.

I played as gaige and killed him easily with Anarchy stacks. In fact, Gaige is probably the best character available in the game statistically.

My recomendation, start over and play as Gaige if you have the guts to play this game another 3 times, but hell I know people who do it to torture themselves all the time so idk

So....challenge, experimentation, altering your play style to try something new means nothing, if there isn't a dedicated drop?

[LairosTall]

Never knew the Duke evolved, mostly I guess because everything else was pretty much dead by the time he showed up. Still a rough fight without decent gear.

[HiTmAn]

for ppl who play game a lot duke is not problem but for new players who probably dont use slag or get there undergeared that fight is not fun for them for sure

[Wilder King]

Originally posted by Bringoutyerded:

Originally posted by ฝٱɭɗﻉɼ 𝔎ٱกﻭ:

There is absolutely no incentive to kill or defeat any bosses that do not drop legendary gear regularly. Hell theres hardly any incentives present for the first 2 times you play this game other than golden keys.

I played as gaige and killed him easily with Anarchy stacks. In fact, Gaige is probably the best character available in the game statistically.

My recomendation, start over and play as Gaige if you have the guts to play this game another 3 times, but hell I know people who do it to torture themselves all the time so idk

So....challenge, experimentation, altering your play style to try something new means nothing, if there isn't a dedicated drop?

If there isn't something worthwhile at the end then yes. Why else would I fight him for the nth time? Honestly, why would I fight him more than once if there wasnt SOMETHING worth fighting for? To prove which style is the best? Why would I do that, If he dies he dies, doesn't matter how. It only starts to matter when there is loot worth fighting for, than you get into farming, and farming requires optimal planning. <- fact

Unless of course, you find enjoyment from testing different playstyles over and over again on the same boss during the same mission.

[Bringoutyerded]

Originally posted by ฝٱɭɗﻉɼ 𝔎ٱกﻭ:

Originally posted by Bringoutyerded:

So....challenge, experimentation, altering your play style to try something new means nothing, if there isn't a dedicated drop?

If there isn't something worthwhile at the end then yes. Why else would I fight him for the nth time? Honestly, why would I fight him more than once if there wasnt SOMETHING worth fighting for? To prove which style is the best? Why would I do that, If he dies he dies, doesn't matter how. It only starts to matter when there is loot worth fighting for, than you get into farming, and farming requires optimal planning. <- fact

Unless of course, you find enjoyment from testing different playstyles over and over again on the same boss during the same mission.

Well, I guess that you and I clearly differ on this.

I don't see killing as the ultimate goal, as funny as that might sound. Your comment about "...if he dies he dies", taken to it's logical conclusion, would mean that I'd play as Sal, Pimperhabbing or the like, doing little but raid bosses.

Personally, I find that lame and shortchanging. I just don't see the point in that. Why play at all then if it's that quick and easy? This is a game of personal challenges.

Playing the way I do, I've discovered weapons that previously I've snubbed, because they weren't OP enough. Now I've seen that I can play at OP8 with weapons that many would laugh at using, solo. I chalk it up to learning how to play more smartly, rather than placing the emphasis on what weapons I'm equipping.

I play the game for the challenge it presents me, not to be rewarded with a nice weapon each time I down a particular baddie - let alone having a legendary drop. Legendaries really aren't that if they are found frequently.

If drop rewards were the sole reason I played, I would have stopped a long, long time ago.