I feel bad for killing Handsome Jack.

[ZOMBIECRUNCH]

All he ever did was create jobs. And on a planet that was hostile to begin with before it was ever mined. I can't help but feel that this game makes you feel like the good guy when you are a monster.

[West Dragon]

Hunter in the Green Vest の投稿を引用：

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvScx3Po8I

Well, there was Roland, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

Roland, the hero we needed, but the one we didn't deserve.

[Burger]

Jack did nothing wrong

[The Undead Watcher]

Thats like saying Hitler was a good guy because he built alot of infastructure in Germany wich created Jobs.
That still doesn't make him the good guy, since you just ignored all of the millions of innocent people he killed.

I like Jack too, but i also know that he is an evil guy.

Whats by the way wrong with people, first in TPS forums, now here. Smells of political BS if you ask me.

EDIT: Fixed a typo
EDIT2: Can't freaking write...

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ZOMBIECRUNCH の投稿を引用：

All he ever did was create jobs. And on a planet that was hostile to begin with before it was ever mined. I can't help but feel that this game makes you feel like the good guy when you are a monster.

of coarse he's good .......any one is history that will be remembered has blood on their hands you just have to let time pass and tad da he's a hero......jim is no different ......l don't expect you guys to see it since you all love the worse dlc [ tina's borring keep thingy ] in the game.....even the guy who wrote the '' art of war '' killed courtisan 's just to prove a point now and then and no one cares about that today ..or churchhill drunkenly sending my countries young men to the wrong place to die in the thousands invading a beach only to pack up and go to the right one , if he was doctor it would be malice but not a british lord ..that's a hero .

if the future is to be full of hypriean share holders l can't see him not being remembered as the good guy.

[Stolen]

I started the presequel yesterday, and killing Felicity definitely felt much worse than killing Jack.

[★REM★]

Your post title is a huge Spoiler to who never played the game...

[Charlie The Cheng]

Jack's actually deserved it man...He killed people for fun in cold blood, he have no remorse when he killed someone even make a fun joke about it. He trapped his daughter to use her power for his own purpose, he lied people so he can trap them and kill them.

But uhhhh....i still want to see him back at least in AI state

[Moti]

Pandora ain't no place for a hero

[EchoDahrk]

you had to open that road, hadn't you?
i believe that he is bad.. there's no doubt in that
did he deserve to die? yes. (even tho i'd like to think otherwise)

this is a psychological analysis on the situation (no i'm not an expert but i sure do read a lot so take it with a grain of salt and have an open mind)

in his defense, he's obviously mentally ill (that's no excuse ofc, but at least it gets u to understand why he did what he did)

it's pretty well known that abused children rarely grow up without problems (i'm not saying they become evil), but some of them grow up wanting to take revenge on the world for being mistreated as why did everyone get a better life than me or something like that!..
we see that in a lot of villains, and they make it their goal to bring destruction upon everyone..

some don't care about their lives (as they are suicidal),
some becomes extremely narcissistic and gets a god complex or hero complex (like jack)..
that means they truly don't understand why the thing they are doing is wrong... he might know doing slag experimentation on human being is wrong, but in his mind the end justifies the means.
same thing with his daughter... believe it or not he did love her, it was obvious.. but again he continued abusing her..
cuz in his mind,bringing the warrior .. killing bandits and colonizing Pandora is a good reason to make his daughter suffer only to let her live in a safe world after.
not to mention.. some mentally ill people that don't recognize their ill and try to get help or work on themselves ends up neglecting their children, sometimes the same way his parents did.. and they never realize it.
jack doesn't know what it's like to have parents as they abandoned him and the closest thing to a mom (his granny) abused him.. that means the people he was supposed to trust, were never trustworthy.. and never gave him the healthy childhood to grow up as a healthy person that recognizes right from wrong..
if your granny thought solving a problem was to hit you with a weapon.. then u will grow up thinking all problems are solved by violence as that's how u have been raised (hence why he kills people for fun or * spoilers ahead* why he Killed the scientists cuz he thought it's better to eliminate the problem than looking into it) *spoiler done*
he probably had that love form his wife.. which his daughter ended up killing by accident (now yes, this could be a speculation.. but let's say if)
imagine your baby killing the love of your life.. i don't think i'll be able to look at her the same way again
(yes, in logic, it's not her fault.. and she doesn't deserve it), but in the end .. we are not robots .. it's very hard to ignore the fact that someone u love was killed by the other person u love the most.. it's a very complex situation, and jack probably never let it go of it, as angel said he will let you think it's your fault when it's not.
after that everyone he puts his trust in ended up running away from him or betraying him.. or like angel, killed herself to get away from him..
so, yes.. someone that never knew love, will 100% become a villain , and do all the ♥♥♥♥ he did.

but that's not an excuse.. he did commit crimes and he should be punished for it..

in my opinion cleaning Pandora is not a bad thing, as u see it's full of horrible stuff.. and not even the vault hunters are good people...
the good people are the ones u see in overlook.. the ones paying the price ...
so colonizing it and making a safe place is a good thing..
but here's the thing..
jack went in a dark rout to achieve it, and that definitely wasn't his only plan..
in TPS.. after he becomes handsome jack and u go to his office ..
there was a paper on his wall that had his whole plan written but it was blurified by the developers cuz *spoilers*..
he definitely intended to do something more destructive after waking up the warrior.

for a little while he could be the hero Pandora needed.. keep him around to cleanse Pandora and then kill him off and let someone worthy build Pandora for the good people left on it.


now this is just my opinion .. no need for anyone to attack

[green]

EGAD (Everyone Gets A Drop) の投稿を引用：

Hunter in the Green Vest の投稿を引用：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvScx3Po8I

Well, there was Roland, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

Roland, the hero we needed, but the one we didn't deserve.

Roland was no hero. He slaughtered the remaining Crimson Lance who wouldn't join his brigade, murdered plenty of people and creatures just for money, and always hogs my loot drops in BL1. Sure, not the most wicked, but no hero in my eyes.

[Charlie The Cheng]

Hunter in the Green Vest の投稿を引用：

EGAD (Everyone Gets A Drop) の投稿を引用：

Well, there was Roland, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

Roland, the hero we needed, but the one we didn't deserve.

Roland was no hero. He slaughtered the remaining Crimson Lance who wouldn't join his brigade, murdered plenty of people and creatures just for money, and always hogs my loot drops in BL1. Sure, not the most wicked, but no hero in my eyes.

The only hero that i can see in Borderland is Gotyr.

[green]

$$$ I'm Cheng $$$ の投稿を引用：

Hunter in the Green Vest の投稿を引用：

Roland was no hero. He slaughtered the remaining Crimson Lance who wouldn't join his brigade, murdered plenty of people and creatures just for money, and always hogs my loot drops in BL1. Sure, not the most wicked, but no hero in my eyes.

The only hero that i can see in Borderland is Gotyr.

Yes, she's a hero!

[trukr]

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

trukr の投稿を引用：

The very same chemical weapons used by everyone. Pandora is not a bound by the Geneva convention.

Someone else does something is not an excuse, that is literally what a child would say in defense of stealing something. It doesn't matter whether or not they are bound by the Geneva convention. The Geneva convention is a pretty good set of rules to follow considering it exists so that people don't act like monsters in war. It keeps people from causing absurd amounts of damage and pain. Believe me Jack has committed his fair share but Vault Hunters don't get off scot free. Whether or not it's being forced does not matter.

It's not the norm here on Earth, Pandora is not Earth, so stop with the comparing, the people of Pandora would think we are wimps. :)

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

trukr の投稿を引用：

Gaige did not kill Marcy, DT did that because of a miscalculation in a routine. DT was defending Gaige, and it got way out of hand but was not the intent.

That's called manslaughter.

No, if Gaige had killed her it could be. If you are driving a car and through negligence kill someone, that is vehicular manslaughter. Gaige was not operating a remote control so that boat won't float. She IS however responsible for her creation. How many people go to prison for an unforeseen flaw or miscalculation in a product kills someone? There would be auto industry people in prison.

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

trukr の投稿を引用：

Tina lives on a brutal planet, she had her parents tortured and killed by Hyperion.

See Jack in the pre-sequel, troubled past is not an excuse for becoming a monster. Well I mean it is, point is she is a monster to a point non-the-less.

Tina is thirteen years old,. I can see in Borderlands 2 where his past was bad, look at good ol gran gran's house. He is a grown man, a "code monkey" that murdered his way to the top of Hyperion. The Vault hunters did not do THAT to him, he had already built a "WMD" on a "civilian" space station with talk of wiping out entire bandit villages with no lose to hi/his. Problem is, what did he call bandits?

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

trukr の投稿を引用：

Yes, let's think about Hyperion employees, the same ones who would shoot you on site, good, bad, means nothing if they are trying to kill you.

For one, game mechanics. Two if Jack kills people for much less, do you think he wouldn't kill or do worst to an employee for not attacking his biggest enemies? I can read between the lines, if you don't fight for Adolf Jack he'll put you and your family on death row.

That makes no difference, do you care that the people trying to kill you might be nice people trying to kill you to keep from being killed, or is the thought in your mind to kill them to keep them from killing you?

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

trukr の投稿を引用：

Krieg is what Hyperion made him, he still has the inner voice that reminds him, if he takes the life of an innocent, he will end him.

Fair, however he is a ticking bomb essentially.

Is he? He does have the inner voice, his still sane part. Has he killed an innocent?

trukr の投稿を引用：

There are no real heroes on Pandora.

Jack Reaver の投稿を引用：

EDIT: I wanted to make this point because I didn't really say much on the employees. This is war, you are the enemy they shoot at you, is that an excuse to shoot back? Sure. You can't say it's self defense though since you know they will shoot at you and you're actively seeking them out. In the first Borderlands you could say Nine-Toes fired the first shot, however it's no longer self defense when you seek him out and murder him.
Defending yourself isn't always moral either.
An extreme example is you are under fire by cops for committing a crime and you fire back to defend yourself. You're known warmonger coming through an area and some of the locals pull their guns on you because your afraid.
Just because your defending yourself doesn't mean you're in the right.
Also let's face it most of the time Vault Hunters try to get the first shot in anyways.
Vault Hunters are Warmongers plain and simple just like the rest of people on Pandora.

I have NO idea what your thought process might be to come up with this.
There is no "declared" war going on. Jack/Hyperion are a large corporation, standing orders are to murder Vault Hunters, because Jack wants to make certain HE is the one to open the Vault.

How can you compare a police standoff/shootout with Pandora and Jack? Reaching much?

You are in the right at least as much, but think more so than Jack.

Hyperion personnel are not local. Even the bandits are at least mostly people DAHL abandoned when they left. Some of them were employees and some convicts. Then there are the former ATLAS people, some of which work with Rolland. Look around Sanctuary for some non bandit types.

You want to say war, but then think getting the first shot is bad, how does that work?

Jack says it himself, Vault hunters show up to look for the vault, Jack kills them. It's not "stopping the war monger/s", it's kill the competition.

[trukr]

Stolen Picture の投稿を引用：

I started the presequel yesterday, and killing Felicity definitely felt much worse than killing Jack.

Yes, that just felt SO wrong.

[Carrier]

EGAD (Everyone Gets A Drop) の投稿を引用：

Jack deserved to die, no question.

1. He coerced scientists into torturing people.

2. He casually ordered the execution of laborers for minor errors or simply for having eaten regular meals.

3. He forcibly made his own daughter dependent on eridium to the point that if she spent even a moment without a supply, she'd die.

4. He rescinded his ransom on Roland and had the very people who successfully subdued and captured Roland murdered.

5. He's the head of Hyperion, a corporation that enforces ritual blood sacrifice from the small town of Overlook and goes so far as to force people who are expecting to have more than one child to have one of their expected children executed.

6. Many of the dangerous creatures you encounter in BL2 are a direct result of Jack's brutally enforced eridium experiments and entire people were incurably mutated into cannibalistic psychopaths.

7. His idea of bringing peace to Pandora is killing all life on the planet then allowing new settlers the "privilege" of living on a world in which a minor infraction such as complaining is an offense punishable by death.

8. His enforced experimentation of people resulted in the deaths of Tina's parents among many others.


But yeah, the Vault Hunter is a mass murdering monster who also deserves to die.

Actually all the psychos were caused by dahl experimentation and mining. They are the dahl miners that were left behind