Choosing a Krieg skill tree

[DongSmasher]

https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55000500055100550300000045505102051

https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#00000000000050550105155155555155051

I can distinguish the fact one build is meele and the other one is gun oriented.
What I was wondering is which one is more effective in UVHM? Currently I'm running with the meelee one but I'm afraid that it will get worse as it goes and the gun one will take over.
Any help to choose one?

[Renfrew]

I play at OP10.

Your melee build is nice, but would probably suffer vs armored enemies, because of how it is specced to boost fire damage. Here is one that is a more viable against different enemy types:
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50500515040100550005145105505150020
A lot of healing is down to elemental empathy while you are rampaging, so getting some leech or Vladof Grenades is a huge help.

General Hybrid build:
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50502210055150550105050145505100020
RtB is there to get you out of sticky situations rather than to serve as an aggressive move, you can probably kill slagged enemies in melee though.

Melee build for flesh enemies:
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#50500010000050550105050155555150051
If you get a Flame of the firehawk it will make you almost immortal. Make sure you get the one with the Hyperion capacitor, because if you get all Maliwan parts Krieg won't be able to light himself on fire.

Krieg Gun builds are a bit harder it is dependent on what enemy you are fighting and what guns you are using. Can't really recommend one, specifically. I have a really cheesy build that I use with a Jakobs cannon. Stupidly kills with a Jakobs cannon activate blood bath, which in turn boosts Krieg's gun damage, giving you insane DPS, underrated strat!
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55000500055100550505100045550150021
You are relying heavily on slag to keep yourself on fire, you can set enemies on fire with an elemental weapon if you really want to, and it also gives a bit of healing from elemental empathy, but the Jakobs cannon does all the work. Get an explosive relic and it gets even better!

[DongSmasher]

How does krieg even kill raid bosses by the way? Also huge thanks to you, I might switch over to that general one, seems cool

[Renfrew]

Unlike other characters you can't just grab a Bee Shield and expect it to be easy. Just like with gun builds I find that Krieg needs to be specced for the situation at hand.

Vora and Pete can be bloodsploded, making them the easiest to kill (although Vora is a bit harder to bloodsplode)

Terra is second, requiring a blood bath build and a fire conference call.

Haderax is third, blood bath and a Lyuda (to stun Haderax), then a fire conference call to finish him off

Hyperius can be beaten using a Flame of the Firehawk and a slag rubi, but it is such a slow process. If you are lucky enough to get a corrosive topnea (some prefer a corrosive Norfleet), then it speeds things up a bit (topnea is broken with Krieg, because it reduces ammo per shot, and so at max bloodlust stacks your mag size is huge, thus giving you tons of shots!), used to damage the robots and to get Hyperius's shield to break. Weapons are a bit tougher to choose from, but generally you need a Rubi for healing the FoTF will keep you up easily, except against certain Hyperius attacks, like the one where he shoots the discs, so make sure you are moving and not just standing still.
There is a fairly well-known melee strat that requires very specific items, I don't like it personally, video by joltz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uik2QWh-VA

Gee is boring, not even difficult, just boring. Fight takes way too long. Hellborn build and Flame of the Firehawk are essential here though. Worms can be a bit troublesome if you start getting low on ammo (especially at OP10), but as long as Gee is absorbing those puddles and your health is staying up, you're all good. Melee can help save a lot of ammo.

Dragons are very difficult; Krieg is my least favourite character to use against the dragons. I use joltz's strat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48gxitW1UYU

[DongSmasher]

Wow, I wasn't expecting this level of detail, explanation and help from 2 comments. Thanks a lot everybody! the thought of changing skill tree to adapt to the situation is something that had never crossed my mind before

[DongSmasher]

What equipment would you recommend for the hybrid build? Assault rifles, shotgun smg, etc? I'm thinking, nothing. I'm dumb.

[Renfrew]

Whatever you want really, since it is a generally purpose build after all.

I tend to use a rough rider (shield that has 0 capacity, in exchange for damage resistance and max HP increase) because generally with krieg shields are quite useless, and his HP is almost always under attack. Since his HP is regularly exposed one could argue that making use of Salt the wound and its shotgun damage boosts is very useful. It also keeps you in melee range if you need to Release the Beast.

[DongSmasher]

Hmm, so my build can stay shotgun-based, very nice! Sorry to bother you, pal

[Renfrew]

That's fine, you can tell I got nothing better to do for the moment ;)

[DongSmasher]

Hi me again, would you say a just gun skill tree is bad or ... ?

[HiTmAn]

i play krieg a lot this my op10 melee krieg
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55500515055150550105155105000000000
fuel the blood is one of better krieg skills for very consistant slaggging use slagga-bullets go fast-use rough rider shield parryed with blood of ancients with pistol ammo bonus.rocket ammo.. and u can get both on one if u get lucky that is well worth farm that items are key to be consistant and to avoid daying.. for grenades i like to use quesar..singularity will do job as well group them up quickly slagg and hit weakest enemy for blood sploosion massive kill streak.. also dont swing axe all time stv can mess u up very bad melee one.. to prock fuel the blood witch will give u massive dmg bonus on trowing axes.... this is my gun krieg... super powerful
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55000500055100550105100055555100051 for raid bosses swap pain is power for fire fiend cz reload speed is super important and can be matter u ging down or not...for this build u wish grenade witch quickly stacks blood bath... so use electric chair.. or storm front...wen u have 100 stacks kill some enemy with harold or topnea to proc blood bath.. and now depends what wepon u use.. hail..lead storm..kerblaster..topnea...u also farm all 3 element of bone of ancients to make even more stronger u wepons... forget u action skill..farm practicable..slow hands.blockhead...casual carnage.. peak opener is extremly strong on gun krieg...for gun krieg good evolution is maybe even better then rough rider.. but u can try both and see witch one u like more...chain lightning is great to have for grenade regen and insta heal parryed with grog...also guns witch are good is sawbar...hornet pimpanel..hyperion practicable shotguns.. like hearthbreaker

[Renfrew]

Originally posted by fat dirty white man#1944:

Hi me again, would you say a just gun skill tree is bad or ... ?

No, Gun Krieg builds are awesome, but unlike other characters you have to be very specific with what you want to do. For example if you are using Jakobs or explosive weapons, a hellborn build won't do much because it relies on elemental damage. You can see for example in that Jakobs Cannon build although I have specced into Hellborn for some support, almost all the damage relies on blood bath. HiTmAn has linked a gun build that relies on blood bath as well, which is generally how most gun builds go, but that build is more suited for a gun with an elemental capacitor, especially with skills like elemental elation and elemental empathy specced to max. Krieg was pretty much made with OP levels in mind, since almost all of his skills are multiplicative, rather than additive, so as long as you are specced correctly he can be a beast.

[DongSmasher]

Alright thanks guys