I just got a warning from a mod about gibbed save editor.

[Gracey Face]

I posted something advising someone to get gibbed save editor (because it's a good tool) and got a warning for it.

Yet there's no rule against it, and it's a very common peice of discussion (4000 threads where it is mentioned, according to the search function. (though to be fair, this may be contaminated by death gibbing))



So I am curious. Is gibbed against the rules or not? Anyone know? I'd contact the mod directly if that were an option. Unfortunately the mod who gave me the warning didn't actually reference a guideline.


Though watch me get banned for discussing moderation now :D.

[Renfrew]

Pinned discussion:
"No threads about boosting or free loot"

The thread will have body content that says something along the lines of:
"This type of content is repetitive and constantly posted. Due to this any and all threads on boosting or free loot, will be deleted and a warning given. Repeat offenders will receive bans.

Please use alternatives, such as gib:
*Gib link here*

You can find many tutorials online, if this still does not suit you, then please find an alternative way to get boosted or free loot without inconveniencing other players"

This is a very rough draft, but of course feel free to improve upon it

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Razer human chroma:

Same thing happened to me:
https://ibb.co/G0BGyvm

Pretty sure the issue there is that you actually linked it. Mind you, that's a guess on my part.

However, it does appear that the moderators have stepped up their "moderating" of this forum in recent weeks. And, I would tend to agree that they don't seem to know the game that well.

But ... BL3 is coming. Either Gearbox and/or 2K (Take Two Interactive) might have requested more "consistent" moderation of what they know is a high traffic site to discuss the game and the series in general. Again, just a guess on my part.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Zen_Disaster:

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

I posted something advising someone to get gibbed save editor (because it's a good tool) and got a warning for it.

Yet there's no rule against it, and it's a very common peice of discussion (4000 threads where it is mentioned, according to the search function. (though to be fair, this may be contaminated by death gibbing))



So I am curious. Is gibbed against the rules or not? Anyone know? I'd contact the mod directly if that were an option. Unfortunately the mod who gave me the warning didn't actually reference a guideline.


Though watch me get banned for discussing moderation now :D.

Why bother the Community with this nonsense?

You never received a "warning" from a Steam Forum Moderator for mentioning Gibbed in a comment. Either you're lying or don't know what you'/re talking about. If you received such a "warning":as you claim, please prove it with a link or a screenshot so we can read it for ourselves ~ and please don't dig yourself in deeper by linking some redacted boilerplate like the guy did in comment #24. Fair? (y)

Warning For: Illicit or Illegal Activity
Your post "could someone boost my lvl please" is in violation of our Community Rules and Guidelines:

Download gibbed save editor. It lets you do whatever you want including levelling and the game won't punish you for using it (or even apparently detect it). Worst that will happen is that if you try to give yourself an item and don't set it up correctly it won't appear in your inventory which is nothing.

Reason:

This post contains material that is prohibited in the Steam Community. When posting in the future, make sure that you are not promoting or discussing prohibited topics.

Our Community Rules and Guidelines article contains more specific information, along with some of our reasoning behind these decisions. This is not a ban - just a reminder to follow the rules when participating in Steam Discussions.

If you have other questions about this warning, please contact Steam Support.

While I have no problem with scepticism in general, this seems like a weird thing to be sceptical of.

I assume you don't have much interaction with steam mods and so exposure to how garbage they are?


As for why I brought it up, simple reason is that because I can't directly contact the mod, I was hoping they'd see this thread and while they'd probably ban me as this whole thread is against the rules, hopefully they'd realize from the comments that gibbed is a normal thing in this community.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Technically it falls under the content rules of
*cheating, hackiing, exploits*

So the mod is technically able to remove or warn about the post as far as the content rules are concerned.
______________________________

You're right, and that's exactly what happened. I've already encountered one of these wrong bans and had it overturned and it saddens me to see it happened again.

I've raised it internally (I could just remove it but I want this to be learned from so it doesn't happen again)

@ OP and other people affected by it, please follow the link in the warning/ban message to Support and make a ticket as described, and feel free to point at this post.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

Though watch me get banned for discussing moderation now :D.

That's not really a rule we enforce, unless in some extreme cases. If anything, it's pretty much the only way feedback can be given about moderation so I don't see why not (for lack of alternatives). But glad to see you know the rules through and through though ;)

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

So I am curious. Is gibbed against the rules or not? Anyone know? I'd contact the mod directly if that were an option. Unfortunately the mod who gave me the warning didn't actually reference a guideline.

Actually the same form I linked to in post above that has a link to discuss your warn, can also be used to talk to moderator directly - it's basically a forum thread. Sometimes people miss this though, so scroll down a little bit.

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

To be fair, steam mods are pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible. They've always been bad but I have personally noticed a significant decline in 2018.

I mean hell, at one point I got banned because a guy was following me from thread to thread and calling me an idiot :D

To be fair, that's not really what happened. You don't get banned if you didn't respond to that in a rulebreaking manner, so the correct course of action was reporting and ignoring him.

That said, to ellaborate on your perception. Valve added paid Steam moderators somewhere in the second half of '17, so this was quite the paradigm shift. All I can say is that this will be accompanied with (quite a few) growing pains.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by Razer human chroma:

Same thing happened to me:
https://ibb.co/G0BGyvm

Contacted Steam support:
https://ibb.co/FHkNHsD

Seems that whoever is moderating these forums does not actively play or know ANYTHING about Borderlands 2 and that is where the problem lies

I helped you on reddit (albeit on an alt) with that, no? I was sad to see you not reply after I looked into it and sorted it but I guess end good, all good.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by Zen_Disaster:

Why bother the Community with this nonsense?

You never received a "warning" from a Steam Forum Moderator for mentioning Gibbed in a comment. Either you're lying or don't know what you'/re talking about. If you received such a "warning":as you claim, please prove it with a link or a screenshot so we can read it for ourselves ~ and please don't dig yourself in deeper by linking some redacted boilerplate like the guy did in comment #24. Fair? (y)

I can personally confirm the warning was there, although removed now. I also think it's a good thing he's editing his screenshot so there is no personal information.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Technically it falls under the content rules of
*cheating, hackiing, exploits*

So the mod is technically able to remove or warn about the post as far as the content rules are concerned.
______________________________

You're right, and that's exactly what happened. I've already encountered one of these wrong bans and had it overturned and it saddens me to see it happened again.

I've raised it internally (I could just remove it but I want this to be learned from so it doesn't happen again)

@ OP and other people affected by it, please follow the link in the warning/ban message to Support and make a ticket as described, and feel free to point at this post.

You can only use the link in the warning/ban message if you're banned. If you're only warned it does nothing (unless they very recently changed it of course).


There's also the problem that appealing bans on these forums half the time sends the appeal to the person who banned you which is it's own thing. Since you are a mod, I am wondering if you know why that happens? Seems like a wierd thing that shouldn't happen.

[KillahInstinct]

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

You can only use the link in the warning/ban message if you're banned. If you're only warned it does nothing (unless they very recently changed it of course).


There's also the problem that appealing bans on these forums half the time sends the appeal to the person who banned you which is it's own thing. Since you are a mod, I am wondering if you know why that happens? Seems like a wierd thing that shouldn't happen.

I'm fairly sure the first part you mention is not true, I've never heard of it and the link therein seems to work at any and all times.

The appeal in the form itself is indeed a discussion with the moderator itself, which stems from the idea that mistakes are made and there is a general trust / vetting in the moderators so simply replying why you believe it was a mistake will generally do wonders - if of course it was a mistake, the actual link to contest your ban/warning at Steam Support are generally speaking different teams (there's some overlap) so not something that happens.

So if you truly believe the moderator is abusing his powers a report on their profile and/or a Steam Support ticket are the way to go (or contact the dev if it's only a forum specific moderator).

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

You can only use the link in the warning/ban message if you're banned. If you're only warned it does nothing (unless they very recently changed it of course).

You can report warnings.
I remember reporting one warning i got from a clearly biased mod on Civ 5 steam forums.
It got through got reply after a day from steam support.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Originally posted by Bert Sampsen:

You can only use the link in the warning/ban message if you're banned. If you're only warned it does nothing (unless they very recently changed it of course).

You can report warnings.
I remember reporting one warning i got from a clearly biased mod on Civ 5 steam forums.
It got through got reply after a day from steam support.

I have tried it before and it just put me on a set of circular references. And I mean very recently, maybe a week ago I got a warning for no reason on the XCOM 2 forums (there was a "how old are the players thread and I simply typed that I thought most people giving thier ages were lying and got a warning for it). The link didn't allow me to post. The "contact steam support" option just took me to my support history rather than opening up a text input box for appeals like it does when you're banned.



Can't try it now however as I am banned on the XCOM 2 forums (for a post similar to this actually since I responded to that false warning in the same way) and so I can't tell if the input box that comes up is for that or this.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

The appeal in the form itself is indeed a discussion with the moderator itself, which stems from the idea that mistakes are made and there is a general trust / vetting in the moderators so simply replying why you believe it was a mistake will generally do wonders - if of course it was a mistake, the actual link to contest your ban/warning at Steam Support are generally speaking different teams (there's some overlap) so not something that happens.

If this is true, I want to know why the moderators lie about it?

For example I got a ban on another forum for saying that furries are dangerous sexual degenerates and mentioning the at the time current Kiro the Wolf controversy (for the love of god don't look that up if you're not familiar with it, that way lies madness).

I never insulted anyone or anything of that nature, and the whole thread was discussing the harmful impact of furries and weeaboos on the game's workshop so it wasn't even out of place or excessive (I mean hell there was people in there calling for genocide).

Anyway I send an appeal for the ban because there was no justification for it and I was pretty sure it was a Kiro fan suppressing any mention of the controversy (which was going on at the time). The person who responded to the appeal started off with saying that he didn't know who banned me and couldn't know due to how the system works then in the next post changed to calling me an idiot because he was good friends with the person who banned me and knew that he totally wasn't a furry.

This isn't the only example of course but just the most recent I can remember. Why are you moderators allowed to be this way? Is there no selection standards?

[Nauzhror]

Originally posted by trukr:

Now days, if you tell someone they should use the save editor and not ask for power leveling, they can report you and have a white knight mod scold you. I got a warning because someone bragged about the hour in game they had, that was a fraction of mine, I said.... noob and got a warning for being disrespectful. Even tried explaining that noob is just new, nub is the insult, no dif, ruling was correct.

Noob is not someone that's new, that's newbie. Noob and nub are just alternate spellings, both of which are used as insults. Minor af insults, but still insults.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by fizban:

Noob is not someone that's new, that's newbie. Noob and nub are just alternate spellings, both of which are used as insults. Minor af insults, but still insults.

Used to be that way, but I am pretty sure that language drift has changed it so now noob is no longer an insult and is basically used interchangably with newbie. Went newbie v noob then newb v noob then noob v nub I am pretty sure (though hell it's the internet and nothing means anything :D).

[trukr]

Originally posted by fizban:

Originally posted by trukr:

Now days, if you tell someone they should use the save editor and not ask for power leveling, they can report you and have a white knight mod scold you. I got a warning because someone bragged about the hour in game they had, that was a fraction of mine, I said.... noob and got a warning for being disrespectful. Even tried explaining that noob is just new, nub is the insult, no dif, ruling was correct.

Noob is not someone that's new, that's newbie. Noob and nub are just alternate spellings, both of which are used as insults. Minor af insults, but still insults.

Context, it matters. When the word noob is used alone in response to someone bragging about the hours they have in game, it is clearly about being new. And yes, just like many words in my lifetime have changed meaning and use, a lot.