Are there too many Sirens in the Borderlands universe?<Spoilers>

[DeadSlash]

I thought the entire gimmick of the Siren was how rare they were supposed to be, but they are the most common playable hero in the series.

Isn't it supposed to be a limit on how many can exist at any given time? Even if that's true, and even if Borderlands is keeping true to the that number (5? 6?) is it still too much siren stuff for it to seem special?

idk, it's not a big deal, but I used to think sirens were sort of like Jedi, now they just seem pretty common place.

[Renfrew]

1) Count the number of sirens
2) Is that number more than 6?
3) You've got your answer

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

"six Sirens in existence at the time"
From the wiki page, can you tell on a point in the game where more than 6 Sirens have exist at the same time?

[Renfrew]

Originally posted by Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

"six Sirens in existence at the time"
From the wiki page, can you tell on a point in the game where more than 6 Sirens have exist at the same time?

Siren powers get really confusing in Borderlands 3, so I can sympathise with OP...

Borderlands 3 spoilers:
Angel's powers were transferred to Tannis, making the number of known sirens 2 (Lilith and Maya), but still 6 existed of course, one being Tannis which we wouldn't know at the time. In Borderlands 3 Amara, Lilith, Tannis and Maya are sirens. The calypso twins "steal" Maya and Lilith's powers. They are eventually reobtained, but Maya's are transferred to her apprentice, Ava.

The number of known sirens was 1 in Borderlands 1
The number of known sirens was 3 in Borderlands 2 and then 2 when Angel died
The number of known sirens is 4 in Borderlands 3 and it hasn't exceeded that number, due to character interactions (if this sentence seems weird just remember in the trailers when Lilith said she was a "former Siren", that's a hint).

If you add anything to this discussion please use a spoiler box to respect Borderlands 2 players.

Edit:
Sorry, I forgot about commandant Steele ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ forgettable characters, so there were actually 2 known sirens in Borderlands 1

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

Originally posted by Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

"six Sirens in existence at the time"
From the wiki page, can you tell on a point in the game where more than 6 Sirens have exist at the same time?

Siren powers get really confusing in Borderlands 3, so I can sympathise with OP...

Borderlands 3 spoilers:
Angel's powers were transferred to Tannis, making the number of known sirens 2 (Lilith and Maya), but still 6 existed of course, one being Tannis which we wouldn't know at the time. In Borderlands 3 Amara, Lilith, Tannis and Maya are sirens. The calypso twins "steal" Maya and Lilith's powers. They are eventually reobtained, but Maya's are transferred to her apprentice, Ava.

The number of known sirens was 1 in Borderlands 1
The number of known sirens was 3 in Borderlands 2 and then 2 when Angel died
The number of known sirens is 4 in Borderlands 3 and it hasn't exceeded that number, due to character interactions (if this sentence seems weird just remember in the trailers when Lilith said she was a "former Siren", that's a hint).

If you add anything to this discussion please use a spoiler box to respect Borderlands 2 players.

You forget one Siren, Commendant Steele, with was confirm due to her ability to forge the Vault Key fragments together and her tattoos.
So in Borderlands 1 there was 3 sirens as the fact is that Angle was giving guidence already back then.
In Borderlands 2 the number have not change as Steele die in first and we get Maya insteed.
In Borderlands 3 we must take a closer look on everything.
Take Age in to the account, Steele, Angle, Lilith, Amara and 1 of the twins was Siren at that time, the male count as a Siren-parasite taking power from Sirens and dont have any on its own with in turn mean we had 5 Sirens at a given time out of 6.

[DeadSlash]

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

Originally posted by Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

"six Sirens in existence at the time"
From the wiki page, can you tell on a point in the game where more than 6 Sirens have exist at the same time?

Siren powers get really confusing in Borderlands 3, so I can sympathise with OP...

Borderlands 3 spoilers:
Angel's powers were transferred to Tannis, making the number of known sirens 2 (Lilith and Maya), but still 6 existed of course, one being Tannis which we wouldn't know at the time. In Borderlands 3 Amara, Lilith, Tannis and Maya are sirens. The calypso twins "steal" Maya and Lilith's powers. They are eventually reobtained, but Maya's are transferred to her apprentice, Ava.

The number of known sirens was 1 in Borderlands 1
The number of known sirens was 3 in Borderlands 2 and then 2 when Angel died
The number of known sirens is 4 in Borderlands 3 and it hasn't exceeded that number, due to character interactions (if this sentence seems weird just remember in the trailers when Lilith said she was a "former Siren", that's a hint).

If you add anything to this discussion please use a spoiler box to respect Borderlands 2 players.

Edit:
Sorry, I forgot about commandant Steele ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ forgettable characters, so there were actually 2 known sirens in Borderlands 1

Thank you. That is a a nice and succinct summary of the lore and number of Sirens in Each BL game, so they clearly haven't broken lore.

So it isn't more sirens than there are supposed to be, but is it still overkill with how many are active in story at the same time?

Also: I think it is too convenient how many of them are in your party, like Tannis, I'm not sure why, but her being a siren just irritates me and feels lazy. At least Ava and the twins are new.

I started this thread because I'm curious what other people think. I think because I didn't like the story it might be tainting my opinion, but I feel like a siren is really no bog deal at this point.

[AFK Spy]

Collect the 6 Sirens.

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

Originally posted by DeadSlash:

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

Siren powers get really confusing in Borderlands 3, so I can sympathise with OP...

Borderlands 3 spoilers:
Angel's powers were transferred to Tannis, making the number of known sirens 2 (Lilith and Maya), but still 6 existed of course, one being Tannis which we wouldn't know at the time. In Borderlands 3 Amara, Lilith, Tannis and Maya are sirens. The calypso twins "steal" Maya and Lilith's powers. They are eventually reobtained, but Maya's are transferred to her apprentice, Ava.

The number of known sirens was 1 in Borderlands 1
The number of known sirens was 3 in Borderlands 2 and then 2 when Angel died
The number of known sirens is 4 in Borderlands 3 and it hasn't exceeded that number, due to character interactions (if this sentence seems weird just remember in the trailers when Lilith said she was a "former Siren", that's a hint).

If you add anything to this discussion please use a spoiler box to respect Borderlands 2 players.

Edit:
Sorry, I forgot about commandant Steele ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ forgettable characters, so there were actually 2 known sirens in Borderlands 1

Thank you. That is a a nice and succinct summary of the lore and number of Sirens in Each BL game, so they clearly haven't broken lore.

So it isn't more sirens than there are supposed to be, but is it still overkill with how many are active in story at the same time?

Also: I think it is too convenient how many of them are in your party, like Tannis, I'm not sure why, but her being a siren just irritates me and feels lazy. At least Ava and the twins are new.

I started this thread because I'm curious what other people think. I think because I didn't like the story it might be tainting my opinion, but I feel like a siren is really no bog deal at this point.

Well, given the fact of the info we get in BL3 the Sirens are connected with the Vaults in some way so its no big supprise all Sirens drawn to em.
Tho i agree with you, bl3 story is pretty weak compare to earlier storys in bl serie, and Siren dont feel so "WOW" anymore as there is a Siren around every corner right now fighting for the good side.

[AFK Spy]

Originally posted by Rider of Retarded Lion Prince:

Originally posted by DeadSlash:

Thank you. That is a a nice and succinct summary of the lore and number of Sirens in Each BL game, so they clearly haven't broken lore.

So it isn't more sirens than there are supposed to be, but is it still overkill with how many are active in story at the same time?

Also: I think it is too convenient how many of them are in your party, like Tannis, I'm not sure why, but her being a siren just irritates me and feels lazy. At least Ava and the twins are new.

I started this thread because I'm curious what other people think. I think because I didn't like the story it might be tainting my opinion, but I feel like a siren is really no bog deal at this point.

Well, given the fact of the info we get in BL3 the Sirens are connected with the Vaults in some way so its no big supprise all Sirens drawn to em.
Tho i agree with you, bl3 story is pretty weak compare to earlier storys in bl serie, and Siren dont feel so "WOW" anymore as there is a Siren around every corner right now fighting for the good side.

It also seems like anyone that's a siren is also destined to die at some point. Any female character can become a Siren. So, Siren Ellie when?

[Renfrew]

New theory:
Moxxi is a siren, her ability? That's easy, sugar. Phase-SEDUCTION - able to seduce anything and anyone.

Thank you Gearbox, you can hire me now :D

[Renfrew]

Originally posted by AFK Spy:

Collect the 6 Sirens.

So that we can phaselock half the universe with one snap after putting the sirens into the infinity Vault key?

[Rider of Retarded Lion Prince]

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

New theory:
Moxxi is a siren, her ability? That's easy, sugar. Phase-SEDUCTION - able to seduce anything and anyone.

Thank you Gearbox, you can hire me now :D

I would like to see Tiny Tina as Siren.
Here power? Phase-EXPLOSIV! The power to blow everything up, with there mind!

[Soren]

I got some Siren spoiler insights that you can obtain as side lore from eridian writings. Obviously there are spoilers plotwise, so Steam players best not click.



First off. It is said in the Eridian Writings that Sirens are drawn to one another. This is meant to explain why Athenas has so many Sirens in it's history gathering to it, and also why Sirens gather too Pandora. The 7th Siren is also sort of on Athenas. A part of her anyway.

On that note, the Siren count might also be busted. Because Tyreen and Troy are both supposed to be one. Typhon said they are both Sirens. We can assume Troy doesn't count towards the 6 total though. As he is more of an anti-Siren in concept. His power mirrors Tyreen's power in a way. He is not a female and can suck the powers of any Siren he comes in contact with. His tattoos are red instead of blue as well.

Then we got the 7th Siren I mentioned earlier. The author, or narrator of the Eridian Writings. She is a Siren. And she's not exactly dead either. Her existence is questionable and ambiguous. Which is why I'm not sure if she still counts as a Siren. She is very much related to the machine that seals away the destroyer. A part of it? Only a Siren can operate the machine that seals away the destroyer, and that 7th Siren is probably why.

[Nakos]

I'll just point out that the source for the idea that there can be "only six" is Jack.

Jack lies, all the time.

Maybe he was telling the truth that time, but it's probably safer to assume he's an "unreliable narrator".

[Aeekto]

Originally posted by Nakos:

I'll just point out that the source for the idea that there can be "only six" is Jack.

Jack lies, all the time.

Maybe he was telling the truth that time, but it's probably safer to assume he's an "unreliable narrator".

Maybe he knew more about it than we were told.... he was the one who realy made some research about sirens and might have discovered something.
The only person i can imagine, who could discover the same thing, is Tannis (or she might already know, but doesn´t tell us.... she allways has been lying and is the last connection to Jack, since she was his wife and mother of Angel)

[Renfrew]

Originally posted by Aeekto:

Maybe he knew more about it than we were told.... he was the one who realy made some research about sirens and might have discovered something.
The only person i can imagine, who could discover the same thing, is Tannis (or she might already know, but doesn´t tell us.... she allways has been lying and is the last connection to Jack, since she was his wife and mother of Angel)

Angel's mother is confirmed dead, while Jack does say "You didn't see what she did to her mother", he talks way more about his past regrets in Tales from the Borderlands and that includes Angel's mother's death. Borderlands 3 further highlights this.