Any of you have success in TVHM or later with melee zero?

[Slinx]

I absolutely love the way bloodshed zero plays, running around killing people close quarters, going from enemy to enemy and getting great rewards for with all the kill skills and such, but it's starting to suck at lvl 40. i went to the rescue roland mission and many must fall is killing far too many weak enemies, not even beefy ones. so here's my build

Bloodshed:

Killing blow 5/5
Grim 5/5
follow through 5/5
execute
backstab 3/5 +3 = 6/5
resurgence 5/5 +4 = 9/5
like the wind 5/5
many must fall

Cunning:

Fast Hands 5/5

a level 38 purple potent hulk as my primary and captain blade's rapier as my deception melee weapon
Bloodied ninja with the skill bonuses shown above. an amp sheild for my shotgun (which has become uttery useless recently forcing me to use melee attacks more. and a proficiency relic at 26%

I was doing all right before the roland mission, but it was tougher. the problem with bloodshed zero is the second many must fall stops 1 shotting all the weak enemies, he becomes dead weight, which is what's happening now.

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at one point, melee builds stop working, like krieg, it cant even pass op 1 in my melee build, i myself thinks you should reset skill points

or maybe im just too stupid to get past op 1 in a psycho melee build

you should try to use jakobs pistols/snipers instead

also, a VERY important note, when you do meleeing, consider the grog nozzle instead
"When equipped, heals the wielder at a rate of 65% of all damage done."
helps a lot with survivability on melee builds

but that note does not apply to you now
according to this variant chart
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Grog_Nozzle/Variant_Chart
grog nozzle does not exist in TVHM

[Slinx]

it just really pisses me off that bloodshed can't really go up to later levels because i don't get the playstyle of bloodshed in many games, so i finally get it in borderlands and then it turns out it's only viable for the first run through, and maybe half of the next if you're really persistent

[raye.]

If you're going down the melee path, might want to consider a roid shield instead of using that amp shield. Melee Zer0 can be quite powerful with the right gear..and yah know, player skill. I stumbled upon MoLMF (man of low moral fiber) melee videos on youtube, you should check those out. That's one of many people who play melee zer0 successfully.

[bastien]

Hi, as usual, you should not pay any attention to what claptrap says ...
Instead, check the guide from Altair : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=281105831

[SunDrippedDevil]

I almost exclusively play Zer0.

Melee Zer0 is one of the most potent and powerful builds available to a player. He is capable of dealing massive amounts of burst damage. He is VERY viable in UVHM, and even OP8 (but requires very specific gear, namely an evisceration grog nozzle for higher op levels).

He is only completely useless in a handful of situations, all of which are DLC related campaign boss fights.

Originally posted by raye.:

If you're going down the melee path, might want to consider a roid shield instead of using that amp shield.

A roid shield is a huge chunk of melee zer0s damage. The other major sources of damage are: Bladed weapons, the backstab skill, the ambush skill, a class mod with melee damage (blue shadow ninja with +6 backstab and +5 Killing Blow is great and Legendary Ninja Ideal), and using deception properly (the longer you are in deception before striking, the more bonus damage you gain). The l0ve thumper is one of the best roid shields in the game, and is a fairly easy quest reward to get. Grounded Hide of Terramorphous is ideal.

Though the rapier is the highest damage melee weapon in the game, it is cursed and causes you to take excess melee damage too. You need to be careful and selective when using it. A bladed Moxxi weapon is key for using Melee Zer0 (slag evisceration rubi is suitable upto level 72 and person the first few op levels, but an evisceration grog nozzle is vital past OP5).

These weapons have some healing per percentage of damage dealt, and are vital for health gating; the primary mechanic you will often rely on as a Melee Zer0.

In your build, I can see that you have not maxed backstab (the biggest source of melee Zer0s damage according to his melee damage formula) and opted to max resurgence instead. This is not a good idea. Resurgence is not that good, and you should never put more than 4 points in it.

If you are going down the melee path, then you should NEVER spec into Grim. The idea wit ha melee zer0 is to use a roid shield. Roid shields provide a massive melee damage bonus as long as they are depleted. As a melee Zer0, you will want to strip your shields by throwing a shock grenade at your feet, and keep your shields down as long as possible. Teslas work well enough. Ideally, you want a chain lightning (as it regens grenades over time) but a stormfront will also work.

This is what I would recommend to have at lvl 31 as a melee Zer0:

http://bl2skills.com/assassin.html#000000000000000000005500515401

Many people might opt for be like water over iron hands since iron hands doesnt actually add all that much melee damage, and the health increase makes it harder to health gate. Either choice is fine, and both are equally crap and we ware using them to progress down the tree.

Once you have built this, I recommend going into the blue tree.

The key skills here are Ambush, Death mark, Death blossom and innervate. Counter is decent, but requires you getting hit.

http://bl2skills.com/assassin.html#000000000055055104015500515401

Once you hit both death mark and death blossom, you will start to deal ludicrous damage, and should be performing many must fall chains regularly.

I like to round off my build with B0re, because B0re is awesome. A Zer0 without b0re is garbage.

http://bl2skills.com/assassin.html#505001000055055104015500515401

The last 4 points are for you to do with as you please. I like to max innervate, and toss the rest into like the wind for when I am circle strafing enemies and stabbing them to death.

The basic idea as a melee zer0 is to slag your target(s), go into deception (use death blossom if you have it), strip your shields so they are down, align yourself to hit the enemy FROM BEHIND or AT LEAST THE SIDE to proc backstab, wait till the timer reads about 2.18 seconds left (for maximum damage bonus), then striking and killing you enemy in a single blow. This will cause many must fall to proc, and will rest the deception timer a little more (and give your more uses of death blossom). You rise and repeat as much as you can, keeping your shields down.

Timing, spacial awareness of where enemies,barrels & obstacles are, and precision are vital here.

Sorry OP, but you were doing it wrong.

Hope this helps. It should be enough to get you started.

EDIT: Though Bastien suggested a good guide, I prefer this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/1rfosp/comprehensive_guide_to_melee_zer0/

It covers the mechanics a little more in depth.

EDIT #2: Just to clear any doubts, here is an op8 Digipeak run with a melee zer0:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6vC6tpuQWI

In 27 min...

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

at one point, melee builds stop working, like krieg, it cant even pass op 1 in my melee build, i myself thinks you should reset skill points

or maybe im just too stupid to get past op 1 in a psycho melee build

you should try to use jakobs pistols/snipers instead

also, a VERY important note, when you do meleeing, consider the grog nozzle instead
"When equipped, heals the wielder at a rate of 65% of all damage done."
helps a lot with survivability on melee builds

but that note does not apply to you now
according to this variant chart
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Grog_Nozzle/Variant_Chart
grog nozzle does not exist in TVHM

This is BS, but expected from a complete moron who pretends to be fictional robot that very few people actually like on the internet.

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Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

at one point, melee builds stop working, like krieg, it cant even pass op 1 in my melee build, i myself thinks you should reset skill points

or maybe im just too stupid to get past op 1 in a psycho melee build

you should try to use jakobs pistols/snipers instead

also, a VERY important note, when you do meleeing, consider the grog nozzle instead
"When equipped, heals the wielder at a rate of 65% of all damage done."
helps a lot with survivability on melee builds

but that note does not apply to you now
according to this variant chart
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Grog_Nozzle/Variant_Chart
grog nozzle does not exist in TVHM

This is BS, but expected from a complete moron who pretends to be fictional robot that very few people actually like on the internet.

"BS" which part of it is not true? all my info are facts

fact: zero works with high raw damaging guns
fact: grog nozzle works extreamly well with melee builds
fact: grog nozzle does not exist in UVHM

extra tips:
get a relic on melee dmg or health boost
use a roid shield or health boosting shield
you should lose the rapier and use any melee boosting weapons that are not cursed
because according to the web if you are using the rapier
"The user takes increased damage from Melee attacks."
try using The Law or Sledge's Shotgun instead

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

This is BS, but expected from a complete moron who pretends to be fictional robot that very few people actually like on the internet.

"BS" which part of it is not true? all my info are facts

fact: zero works with high raw damaging guns
fact: grog nozzle works extreamly well with melee builds
fact: grog nozzle does not exist in UVHM

extra tips:
get a relic on melee dmg or health boost
use a roid shield or health boosting shield
you should lose the rapier and use any melee boosting weapons that are not cursed
because according to the web if you are using the rapier
"The user takes increased damage from Melee attacks."
try using The Law or Sledge's Shotgun instead

Grog Nozzle exists in all modes, even Normal mode. It's mission item from a Tiny Tina quest (though is this one singular instance, I recommend acquiring it using third party software as mission item parts change everytime that you reload. Or ask another Zer0 player. For this one thing, we will all help. Without the blade accessory, it is useless to a melee zer0. Also, it is necessary for OP5+ in my opinion, and a slag evisceration rubi just won't do as you cannot health gate properly with it)

You should only use roid shield on melee Zer0. Nothing else. EVER. Roid damage is KEY to melee Zer0's DPS.

Melee relic is borderlines useless. It adds very little due to where it lies in the damage formula. A health relic will only make it harder to health gate. The only relic that you should ever use on a melee zer0 is a proficiency (cooldown) relic, or a bone of the ancients (fire prefereable if youre using a hide of terra shield). More deception -> More Kunai use (targets take 80% extra damage) -> More damage bonus from deception -> more damage bonus from ambush and backstab. More DPS overall (Zer0 is squishy and a glass cannon. His best defense is an insanely relentless offense).

The Rapier is key to raid boss killing. It is the only melee damage weapon that spawns with +200% melee damage (this is massive). The Law has +100%. All other bladed weapons will only have +50%. Losing the Rapier is a huge damage loss. You just need to be careful and selective when you use it. Sledges shotgun is pointless with a build that is mostly focused on the melee tree, with very little points in the cunning tree.

Not to mention this little turd-nugget here:

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

at one point, melee builds stop working

Every good Melee Krieg player and Melee Zer0 player would like a word with you...

Happy? Idiot.

I don't know why you are here offering advice on a class that you have hardly played and know very little about. Your advice is also bad, and incorrect.

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Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

"BS" which part of it is not true? all my info are facts

fact: zero works with high raw damaging guns
fact: grog nozzle works extreamly well with melee builds
fact: grog nozzle does not exist in UVHM

extra tips:
get a relic on melee dmg or health boost
use a roid shield or health boosting shield
you should lose the rapier and use any melee boosting weapons that are not cursed
because according to the web if you are using the rapier
"The user takes increased damage from Melee attacks."
try using The Law or Sledge's Shotgun instead

Grog Nozzle exists in all modes, even Normal mode. It's mission item from a Tiny Tina quest (though is this one singular instance, I recommend acquiring it using third party software as mission item parts change everytime that you reload. Or ask another Zer0 player. For this one thing, we will all help. Without the blade accessory, it is useless to a melee zer0)

You should only use roid shield on melee Zer0. Nothing else. EVER. Roid damage is KEY to melee Zer0's DPS.

Melee relic is borderlines useless. It adds very little due to where it lies in the damage formula. A health relic will only make it harder to health gate. The only relic that you should ever use on a melee zer0 is a proficiency (cooldown) relic, or a bone of the ancients (fire prefereable if youre using a hide of terra shield). More deception -> More Kunai use (targets take 80% extra damage) -> More damage bonus from deception -> more damage bonus from ambush and backstab. More DPS overall (Zer0 is squishy and a glass cannon. His best defense is an insanely relentless offense).

The Rapier is key to raid boss killing. It is the only melee damage weapon that spawns with +200% melee damage (this is massive). The Law has +100%. All other bladed weapons will only have +50%. Losing the Rapier is a huge damage loss. You just need to be careful and selective when you use it. Sledges shotgun is pointless with a build that is mostly focused on the melee tree, with very little points in the cunning tree.

Happy? Idiot.

I don't know why you are here offering advice on a class that you have hardly played and know very little about. Your advice is also bad, and incorrect.

i dont know much about skills builds, but i add everything to boost all to the max
i said relics cause its easy to get, and a extra boost is better than nothing
and also about the grog nozzle,
the varient chart is not showing any varients under level 50,
maybe its not UVHM only,
but i know that he wont be using one until level 50
(unless he use a editor to create a lvl 30 grog nozzle)

from what i know, if something does not show in the variant chart,
it will never drop anywhere naturally ,or show as a mission reward naturally

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Grog Nozzle exists in all modes, even Normal mode. It's mission item from a Tiny Tina quest (though is this one singular instance, I recommend acquiring it using third party software as mission item parts change everytime that you reload. Or ask another Zer0 player. For this one thing, we will all help. Without the blade accessory, it is useless to a melee zer0)

You should only use roid shield on melee Zer0. Nothing else. EVER. Roid damage is KEY to melee Zer0's DPS.

Melee relic is borderlines useless. It adds very little due to where it lies in the damage formula. A health relic will only make it harder to health gate. The only relic that you should ever use on a melee zer0 is a proficiency (cooldown) relic, or a bone of the ancients (fire prefereable if youre using a hide of terra shield). More deception -> More Kunai use (targets take 80% extra damage) -> More damage bonus from deception -> more damage bonus from ambush and backstab. More DPS overall (Zer0 is squishy and a glass cannon. His best defense is an insanely relentless offense).

The Rapier is key to raid boss killing. It is the only melee damage weapon that spawns with +200% melee damage (this is massive). The Law has +100%. All other bladed weapons will only have +50%. Losing the Rapier is a huge damage loss. You just need to be careful and selective when you use it. Sledges shotgun is pointless with a build that is mostly focused on the melee tree, with very little points in the cunning tree.

Happy? Idiot.

I don't know why you are here offering advice on a class that you have hardly played and know very little about. Your advice is also bad, and incorrect.

i dont know much about skills builds, but i add everything to boost all to the max
i said relics cause its easy to get, and a extra boost is better than nothing
and also about the grog nozzle,
the varient chart is not showing any varients under level 50,
maybe its not UVHM only,
but i know that he wont be using one until level 50
(unless he use a editor to create a lvl 30 grog nozzle)

from what i know, if something does not show in the variant chart,
it will never drop anywhere naturally ,or show as a mission reward naturally

Well you were wrong on most counts. The gun did drop naturally during a limited time event: The Loot Hunt. Players could kill the Gold Golem boss to drop it. Then it was removed again. Gearbox messed up on that one. That's why I'm happy to give people evisceration grog nozzles.

I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but spreading misinformation is not useful to anyone. If you are unsure, leave it to someone else who is. There is a reason I only comment in such detail exclusively on Zer0 threads. I know him well, and have mastered him. I know a lot about the other characters too, but not as well as other people, so I keep my mouth shut.

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im only wrong 33.33% of the time, everytime when someone asks a question im not sure about, ill just search google, bing, duckduckgo, and baidu for a answer

also stop quoting were just making clutter in the thread now

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

im only wrong 33.33% of the time, everytime when someone asks a question im not sure about, ill just search google, bing, duckduckgo, and baidu for a answer

also stop quoting were just making clutter in the thread now

Ive seen you wrong about something, or at least horribly misinformed about 66.66% of the time...

You're right about 33.33% of the time, and the remaining 0.01% of the time you are just being asinine.

I am not alone in my thinking either...

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Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

im only wrong 33.33% of the time, everytime when someone asks a question im not sure about, ill just search google, bing, duckduckgo, and baidu for a answer

also stop quoting were just making clutter in the thread now

Ive seen you wrong about something, or at least horribly misinformed about 66.66% of the time...

You're right about 33.33% of the time, and the remaining 0.01% of the time you are just being asinine.

and you sir ruins perfectly good days and creates blood n gore in the community
no wonder you call yourself a devil

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Ive seen you wrong about something, or at least horribly misinformed about 66.66% of the time...

You're right about 33.33% of the time, and the remaining 0.01% of the time you are just being asinine.

and you sir ruins perfectly good days and creates blood n gore in the community

I clean out the trash. It's a valuable public service...

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Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Originally posted by CL4P-TP TOTALLY AWSOME:

and you sir ruins perfectly good days and creates blood n gore in the community

I clean out the trash. It's a valuable public service...

k, do your thing