another gaige build question

[Diogenes49]

my gaige is to the point where I need to choose a second capstone I have sharing is caring which second tree should I go with? I am not a melee person but I do want anarchy any suggestions? does make it sparkle apply to my dpuh damage? I am thinking in terms of getting the first two anarchy skills and then go down the middle tree? Any suggestions?

[Nakos]

I'm not a Gaige expert. Perhaps Zoot or turkr will offer their advice, they're both use Gaige a lot.

However, you can check this guide for some basics: https://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/t/ddd-gaiges-skills-for-you/1005751

I don't have a complete Gaige build to offer, but I'd probably start with something like this: http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555050000051000000000000415000051000

If you're going to go down the Anarchy tree, you probably always want to max out Close Enough first.

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by Diogenes49:

my gaige is to the point where I need to choose a second capstone I have sharing is caring which second tree should I go with? I am not a melee person but I do want anarchy any suggestions? does make it sparkle apply to my dpuh damage? I am thinking in terms of getting the first two anarchy skills and then go down the middle tree? Any suggestions?

Make it sparkle is a good capstone, but I dont know about a BFF and Evil Enchantress build. I feel like the Anarchy tree is key to playing Gaige at the highest levels.

Also the Capstone skill of the Anarchy tree is pretty mediocre and not worth it.

[Lord Cyphre]

If you take "Anarchy", you should get further down the tree to pick up "Discord" aswell.
With it you won´t lose all of your stacks if you reload on accident.

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by Lord Cyphre:

If you take "Anarchy", you should get further down the tree to pick up "Discord" aswell.
With it you won´t lose all of your stacks if you reload on accident.

In my opinion the Anarchy tree is central to Gaige, much like the Cunning tree is for Zer0 and the Cataclysm tree is for Maya. All end game builds should invest in these tree.

It is worth it to skill Anarchy all the the way to the Nth Degree.

[Lord Cyphre]

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

Originally posted by Lord Cyphre:

If you take "Anarchy", you should get further down the tree to pick up "Discord" aswell.
With it you won´t lose all of your stacks if you reload on accident.

In my opinion the Anarchy tree is central to Gaige, much like the Cunning tree is for Zer0 and the Cataclysm tree is for Maya. All end game builds should invest in these tree.

It is worth it to skill Anarchy all the the way to the Nth Degree.

Anarchy being essential for Gaige seems to be the general consensus.
I´m playing my first ever Gaige right now aswell and just reached UVHM so I´m still learning as I´m going.

What`s your opinion on "Blood Soaked Shields"?
It was pretty amazing in NVHM and TVHM but I feel like I´m losing too much health in UVHM.
I was thinking about respeccing into "Fancy Mathematics" and "Unstoppable Force" instead.

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by Lord Cyphre:

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

In my opinion the Anarchy tree is central to Gaige, much like the Cunning tree is for Zer0 and the Cataclysm tree is for Maya. All end game builds should invest in these tree.

It is worth it to skill Anarchy all the the way to the Nth Degree.

Anarchy being essential for Gaige seems to be the general consensus.
I´m playing my first ever Gaige right now aswell and just reached UVHM so I´m still learning as I´m going.

What`s your opinion on "Blood Soaked Shields"?
It was pretty amazing in NVHM and TVHM but I feel like I´m losing too much health in UVHM.
I was thinking about respeccing into "Fancy Mathematics" and "Unstoppable Force" instead.

I really like it, if you pair with the the skill next to close enough (cookign up trouble?). It's a good defensive synergy for me. z00t, who is pretty good and experienced with gaige, would argue otherwise. Fancy mathematics is a decent skill, but a little bit redundant if you have blood soaked shields. To maximize utility from points, you should take either one or the other.

In general, I feel like Deathtrap is not as useful as and tends to do more harm than good. His AI is too weird and unreliable. I use him primarily as a distraction, and never ever rely on him for anything else.

I generally spend points that directly improve myself and my abilities: So i tend to spec primarily as Anarchy and Evil Enchantress. That tree was one mediocre, but the Oct 2015 patch gave it some significant buffs. The capstone is pretty decent in my opinion: Blast deathtrap with slag and send him off to tank and slag stuff will you apply dots everywhere and melt enemies. I also find myself to be less dependent on high anarchy stacks, and it sort of reduces the DPS gap if starting from no stacks.

The only skills that I tend to grab from the BFF tree are close enough (first skill to get to be honest), cooking up trouble and unstoppable force (good for efficiency and defensive mobility just like followthrough). I do not max it though (not enough points), but points from COMs make up for it.

I generally run around with something like this:

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#550000030000550000150551415050151050

Preferred Leg. Catalyst COM, but Leg. Anarchist works well too.

Slagga, twister, thunderball fists are insanely potent. So is the Storm sniper, which is mediocre in every other case.

[z00t]

Question. What defines Gaige as a character?
To me, that is Anarchy and her homicidal potato brain flying robot. Yes, she has buffs for shock, but that is an addition to her main attributes.

I play variants of an Ararchy + BFF build with my Gaiges. While the LBT tree also has possibilities I am not convinced about shock Gaige builds in the end game.

I reckon the only really worthwhile capstone for her is Sharing is Caring. With Claws is pretty underwhelming unless you want to play with a melee build, and want to get rid of those pesky Anarchy stacks. Make it Sparkle, I suppose is reasonable if you want to have a shock build and go down that far. That only works on enemies that DT attacks with melee. He does look very cool when you shoot him with a fire weapon though.
@Diogenes49, having Make it Sparkle will do nothing for your DPUH, or any other weapon. It is a buff for DeathTrap, nothing else.

@Nakos - your build. No Discord? Tsk, tsk. An oversight Shirley? :D

This is a level 51 build I typically use. I don't like Blood Soaked Shields particularly and prefer to use fast shields. Anarchy is also limited to 350, because the accuracy drop after 350 is rather excessive I find. DeathTrap is useful and Anarchy is controllable.

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555150101051000000000000414100151000

This is basically the build I have used to take 3 of my Gaiges to OP8, solo. It works. The remaining points can be played with according to taste. Myelin helps when you have pesky surveyors to deal with.

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by z00t:

Question. What defines Gaige as a character?
To me, that is Anarchy and her homicidal potato brain flying robot. Yes, she has buffs for shock, but that is an addition to her main attributes.

This is solely conjecture, but I really feel like Gaige's action skill was a lost opportunity. They could have done something in conjunction with her Anarchy skills, but tacked on some odd robot seemingly as an afterthought. All her call outs, and her most potent skills make it seem as such to me.

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

Gaige is the one character that you can play through OP8 and have no capstones and still have a vialble build.

If I were to pick one, I would say Sharing is Caring. That assumes that you and DT want to have the same shield. Want a roid shield for DT and a Turtle shields for yoursefl? You are kinda f**ked. You have to equip the roid shield, summon DT, and then equip the Turtle shield.

Make is Sparkle would be good if I could set it and not have to worry about a shot setting him to something else. Lets say that I hit him with a slag weapon and then I switch to shock weapon. It's been my experience that he will get hit with a shock bullet and then will lose his slagging. I have tried Interspersed Outburst and I am not a fan. Too slow to get stacks. In the time that you get 5 stacks of IO, you could switched to a slag weapon and actually slagged several enemies instead of just one. I tend to think of Make it Sparkle as 6 wasted points instead of just 1 in the case Sharing is Caring.

Another tidbit of information that I found out yesterday in Demonite's video below. 1 pt in Made of Sterner Stuff gives a 50% reduction in damage to fire DoTs. 5 pts gives an estimated 67% reduction in fire DoTs. I am not sure what 10 pts does. I was killing pyro pete the other day with my Sniper Gaige. I had 6 pts into MoSS and an alkaline shield. So no corrosive DoTs and very little fire DoT to the point where it isn't even an issue. It never dawned on me that she was picking up 70% resistance from MoSS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOuKjD8qqU

[Diogenes49]

ok i think this may be my lvl 72 first

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555010120331320051130551415100120000

[Draug]

Originally posted by z00t:

Question. What defines Gaige as a character?
To me, that is Anarchy and her homicidal potato brain flying robot. Yes, she has buffs for shock, but that is an addition to her main attributes.

Electrical Burn because "Yes, Virginia, DoT does kill enemies in UVHM"

I play variants of an Ararchy + BFF build with my Gaiges. While the LBT tree also has possibilities I am not convinced about shock Gaige builds in the end game.

LBT Gaige is fantastic for mobbing in UVHM (Seriously, why do practically all bosses have to be functionally immune to DoT?), but past OP4 or so you have to shift away from focusing on EB's DoT and focus on gun damage. My favorite part about LBT, though, is that I don't have to worry about building stacks to be killing at a good rate.

I reckon the only really worthwhile capstone for her is Sharing is Caring. With Claws is pretty underwhelming unless you want to play with a melee build, and want to get rid of those pesky Anarchy stacks. Make it Sparkle, I suppose is reasonable if you want to have a shock build and go down that far. That only works on enemies that DT attacks with melee. He does look very cool when you shoot him with a fire weapon though.
@Diogenes49, having Make it Sparkle will do nothing for your DPUH, or any other weapon. It is a buff for DeathTrap, nothing else.

MiS is an insane buff to DT. And speaking of DT, have you seen what a correct sparkle DT can do during OP8 mobbing? Let me just say "WOW."

@Nakos - your build. No Discord? Tsk, tsk. An oversight Shirley? :D

Agreed, Discord is mandatory for multiplayer, and highly recommended otherwise.

This is a level 51 build I typically use. I don't like Blood Soaked Shields particularly and prefer to use fast shields. Anarchy is also limited to 350, because the accuracy drop after 350 is rather excessive I find. DeathTrap is useful and Anarchy is controllable.

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555150101051000000000000414100151000

This is basically the build I have used to take 3 of my Gaiges to OP8, solo. It works. The remaining points can be played with according to taste. Myelin helps when you have pesky surveyors to deal with.

Wait, without BSS, how do you down yourself at Pyro Pete's Bar with one shot of a Norfleet?

[z00t]

Originally posted by Draug:

Wait, without BSS, how do you down yourself at Pyro Pete's Bar with one shot of a Norfleet?

Um. What? Fyi, I do not play a ShamFleeting Gaige.

[Diogenes49]

so if I shoot DT with my DPUH he will not gain explosive damage?

[Lord Cyphre]

Originally posted by z00t:

This is a level 51 build I typically use. I don't like Blood Soaked Shields particularly and prefer to use fast shields. Anarchy is also limited to 350, because the accuracy drop after 350 is rather excessive I find. DeathTrap is useful and Anarchy is controllable.

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#555150101051000000000000414100151000

This is basically the build I have used to take 3 of my Gaiges to OP8, solo. It works. The remaining points can be played with according to taste. Myelin helps when you have pesky surveyors to deal with.

Mine looks similar at 52, guess I´m on the right track then.
I´m going to look out for a decent Transfusion grenade and do some testing with and without BSS
to find out what will work best for me.

Originally posted by SunDrippedDevil:

I generally run around with something like this:

http://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#550000030000550000150551415050151050

Preferred Leg. Catalyst COM, but Leg. Anarchist works well too.

Slagga, twister, thunderball fists are insanely potent. So is the Storm sniper, which is mediocre in every other case.

I don´t do any farming while levelling up and was mostly using Torgue weapons and Jakobs shotguns so the LBT tree seemed like waste of skillpoints.

I´m definetely interested in trying this out - if I can be bothered to farm for a Twister at 72/OP8.

[SunDrippedDevil]

Originally posted by Lord Cyphre:

if I can be bothered to farm for a Twister at 72/OP8.

Heh.

Thunderball fists is surprisingly good as well, though risky if you make contact with the projectile.
The Storm is also alright.