I guess axtons turret is crap in uhvm

[chickenchaser97]

I just jumped in with my one maxed character, which is axton, I picked him cause I needed a "friend", the sabre was great in both other modes, but it barely does any damage now, I have 10/5 sentry skills (class mod) longbow and maglock and phalanx AND scorched Earth, so it's a pretty good build for a level 50, but it takes at least 15-20 seconds to kill one Savage. BOI.

[the_bat_turtle]

In UVHM it becomes much more of a support tool, with temporary shields and slag guns being very useful utility tools. Just change your mentality. And don't use laser sight. Never use laser sight

[dontu_worry]

The turret is primarily to slag and distract. Since it's not going to kill anything, forget rockets or nuke. grab longbow and phalanx. Gemini is up to you, but depolying two turrets takes up some time. If you use the turret properly, it is anthing but crap, It can be extremely useful. But, it was never meant to kill things for you.

[HiTmAn]

its distraction.. slag enemies.and preventing enemy to regen hp xd...use mag lock trow turret on spot where enemy cant shot it that easy and act quick....

[chickenchaser97]

You say double up is good, but I also want to pay into grit, but I'm level 50 maxed and I simply don't have enough skill points to go around

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

Originally posted by chickenchaser97:

You say double up is good, but I also want to pay into grit, but I'm level 50 maxed and I simply don't have enough skill points to go around

Double up for me is kind of a no brainer. Grit on the other hand isn't very high on my list of skills since I went with a grenade build and spec into Do or Die. Its fairly easy to second wind with Axton with Do or Die and Fastball grenades. I could see with a gun build that Grit might have more appeal, but I think that I would still want to be chucking grenades in FFYL.

I know Nuke doesn't do a lot of damage, but the knockback buys you some precious seconds for either getting to cover or to fire while not taking return fire. The problem with taking Nuke and Doubleup is that it leaves you a point short of taking Mag-Lock. There are definitely situations where Mag-Lock is more benificial to Nuke. I usually repec my character based on what I think will work better on a particular map.

[Bringoutyerded]

Originally posted by chickenchaser97:

You say double up is good, but I also want to pay into grit, but I'm level 50 maxed and I simply don't have enough skill points to go around

The Grit lottery doesn't warrant the sacrifice of spending precious skill points that better serve elsewhere. This I learned from dontu_worry, and it served me well as I soloed OP8.

Personally, I'd also find another skill (Steady, especially) in which to spend a point, instead of Scorched Earth.

Also, as others have written earlier, you need to change your perception of the role they play in the third play through.Turrets are in some ways similar to Maya's phaselock from a battlefield shaping/control perspective.

As C2H5SH indicated for their own play, Double-Up is key when used properly. It will be your trusty friend all the way to OP8.

When paired with a Legendary Engineer and, later as you accumulate more points, both Longbow and Mag-Lock, two turrets are fun, effective, and quick to redeploy.

Often, being able to throw two turrets is a real boon to your tactics for a given map, baddie, or mobs. There are four scenarios especially where Double-Up shows its worth to me:

1. Quick turret recall to shorten cool-down time. There are many times during mobbing that baddie numbers threaten to overwhelm. I'd throw a single turret off in the distance near the back of the approaching mob, thereby attracting and splitting the hoard. It would give me more time to dispatch those nearest to me while occupying a critical number of their friends. I'd then throw the second turret at my feet and recall both right away, thereby shortening the cooldown time for the next throw.

If you are in a map where there are walls or appreciable terrain, Mag-lock will help in prolonging the turret's longevity.


2. Rabids or other hard-to-contain baddies. Being able to "sandwich" a baddie between two turrets is often useful. Sometimes a rabid skag (for instance) is foaming at the mouth so hard for you that they will ignore a single turret. But if you are able to quickly throw a second at them, it can help to pin them in place for you to dispatch.


3. More graceful retreats. There are times where the pressure is too intense that you need to retreat against the face of a pair of particularly nasty baddies. Think of the turrets as speed bumps that you can throw down to slow the progress of what is chasing you. A single turret thrown between you and the baddies may not hold out long against them as you back up (or they may bypass it). But as you retreat, throw the second at or near your feet and continue to back up while continuing to fire. If one of the baddies has run past the first turret, they'll stop at the second, allowing you more time to pump lead into them, or more time to escape.


4. Attention! My fleshy bits are showing. Ever find some baddie, say, Scorch, a challenge? Perhaps Mad Mike? Throw both turrets behind the baddie, preferrably against a wall and separated from each other. Not only do the turrets occupy the attention of the baddie(s), but they turn their backs to you as they attack your trusty friends. Wail away on the said baddie as the turrets graciously, reliably, and without complaint help you.

One baddie with two turrets means that if they manage to destroy one of the them, there is still the second to give you more time to pound away at their critical spots. Two baddies, say, dual Scorches, each can have a turret to occupy their own attention. Focus your fire on one to take it down. When done, if you can't take down the second as well, retreat....and since the redeploy time is short, repeat for the straggler.

I almost continuously use Double-Up during play, especially at the Peak.

Contrast this with Grit and it's unreliable nature.

I'd rather take the chance of going into FFYL and being able to get back up on my own b/c I'd weakened/slagged enough nearby enemies that I can finish them off to regain my feet either with a Tediore chuck, Harold, Lyuda, Ravager or Swordsplosion, or even a (sigh) launcher. Especially if this means that I've been able to use the points elsewhere for skills more reliable, flexible, and useful during general play.

[chickenchaser97]

You're confusing gemini with double up, and if I want to invest in both and do or die, I still go back to the problem of not having enough points, which one should I do instead (buy dlc, duh) and also, how should I know if certain skills lose their usefulness in uhvm? Like I'm pretty sure forbearance is pretty good, and ranger isn't good enough to put points into, if you're trying to get nuke, just invest in steady, do or die, and battlefront, and I've talked myself in a circle and idk what to do now. I got a blue class mod with mag size and reload speed, and it has +6 grit (and +4 ranger but ranger isn't a priority to me), but I also have a legendary soldier mod, which boosts a whole bunch of things. In summary, I'm confused and a bit frustrated.

[dontu_worry]

Legendary Soldier. Every time. Grit is a waste of points, unless you are doing extreme healthgate abuse. And even then, you are still depending on a lottery. Better to have a good FFYL plan, damage enhancements and a good revive weapon, which will benefit you all the time, not just when you have erred.

[chickenchaser97]

This is my build as of now, because I read somewhere that grit is pretty good in uhvm, if it doesn't show the skills, idk how to do pics so we fuqed
P.s how do you know grit worked? Does it show it by the xp bar with other skills? Tbh I've never noticed it, but that may just be me

http://bl2skills.com/commando.html#50050100003205010000005544100130

[chickenchaser97]

And before I tried to get grit I put one or two into able, quick charge, battlefront, steady, and onslaught on and off in case I got a class mod that supported it

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by chickenchaser97:

This is my build as of now, because I read somewhere that grit is pretty good in uhvm, if it doesn't show the skills, idk how to do pics so we fuqed
P.s how do you know grit worked? Does it show it by the xp bar with other skills? Tbh I've never noticed it, but that may just be me

http://bl2skills.com/commando.html#50050100003205010000005544100130

You can also read that vaccines cause autism, or that the Earth is a flat disk. Doesnt make those statements true just because someone posted them to the internet. Every time you take damage that would put you down, Grit will or will not save you, the odds being determined by how you are configured. I think max is around 45% or something with 10/5 from a classmod. When it happens there is a sound like a metallic clang. Problem is, Grit is expensive to reach, and offense becomes crucial in UVHM where enemies have regen. You are better off spending those points upping your damage, shields, or killskills if you are mobbing. Reducing enemy numbers is job 1, and damage, shield and turret buffs are how you do that.

[chickenchaser97]

Well said

[chickenchaser97]

And it's 11/5 is 44%... Do the class mods that you aqquire from shift codes have more points? Like +6 grit is pretty wild... And I deleted like 3 class mods like that bc storage space... Um, crap

[BDK]

This is what happens when you dont properly test balance. Gearbox is the worst developer in recent years. Overhyped games that suck donkey ♥♥♥♥ with balance issues. Yeah gg...

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by BDK:

This is what happens when you dont properly test balance. Gearbox is the worst developer in recent years. Overhyped games that suck donkey ♥♥♥♥ with balance issues. Yeah gg...

Well, kind of, but its not that bad. You can rig it a bit to where it works.