Can you powerlevel friends through OP?

[Netatsake]

I've got a couple friends who play this game and while they don't necessarily need the powerleveling, I'm the kind of guy who likes to offer things like that to the people I like. My question is, though, can you bring a character pre-UVH, pre-72, into an OP 8 run and powerlevel them, or would I have to completely lose OP levels and go back to vanilla UVH to powerlevel people?

[Netatsake]

Publicado originalmente por Zen_Master:

Your generosity is praiseworthy and shows a rare thoughtfulness in today's fast-moving times. That said, please forgive me for asking it but I assure you my questions are meant in good will and are only due to my sincere bafflement -- powerlevelling is an expensive hobby even if decoupled from gifting game items, the time spent on the leveling effort alone represents a burden to even the most generous players and many prefer giving of their time to the needy in other ways like teaching computer skills to the disadvanted in person in community centers or by remote by giving online classes or even something afield like working at their local animal shelters and other such charitable NFP's.

Costs. There are many years of posts and comments by intelligent players pushing no particular agenda here and in most other large public forums making what appears to be a pretty solid case to me at least that powerlevelling in the final analysis is harmful to the overall health of the community. is detrimental to new players being levelled in both the financial cost of an interactive game being watched from the sidelines rather than being participated in which had been its very purpose with the benefits of emotional release, entertainment and education all sacrificed, and the psychological cost of rewarding the lazy, defending those with unhealthy views of self-entitlement and imprinting arguably avoidable cycles of psychological abuse and dependance, encouraging a lack of self-esteem and self-motivation and finally and most probably detrimental to the large number of people in the community with whom he's later consigned to play with as they must constantly defend him as he'd never learned how to defend himself at an age in life when the rest of the community already had learned to do so for themselves.

Altermnatives for the powerleveller. Short of people in real-life special situations whether due to illness in cases like the legally disabled or due to near-total vacation due to retirement, most people don't have the time and for those few in rare circumstance who do have reams of excess time on their hands, most of those I've known don't have the inclination and due to a negative taste they've developed over the years for what they perceive as something not gift-worthy, they prefer to give of their time whether to people in dubious need or to those who actually are disadvanted + truly in need of stronger others who have the time ... in a large variety of satisying other ways than to powerlevel people in computer games.

I'm asking if this thought has crossed your mind such that you maybe on the brink of stopping your levelling services because your kindness may actually be having a net negative impact on the community through no "actve" effort on your own part. If so, might you start giving of your time in any other ways to people in need?

Do you disagree with the negative views of powerlevelling that are so widespread here and across the global computer gaming world? What would be your most deeply considered reasons for a continued contrary view?

Do you have children physically living with you at your home and whom you've raised to or toward adulthood either alone or with a significant other? If widowed/seperated/divorced but with children still at home, do you expect to remarry or otherwise develop am intimate relationship with another significant other?

I can't blame you for telling me in so many wwordws to **** off. The stuff's long, personal, and there are a few questionstoi answer. But your post seemed unusually civilized for its type and rather than more b!tching and moaning about the SOSDD, instead due to this being late on a weekend's start with a few extra moments at hand, I thought to ask you if I could bother you to share your views on what's become the contentious issue detailed by your post. Thanks either way and have a fun weekend.

I'm going to assume that you're a very dedicated troll, given that rather than asking any particular question that has any bearing on the post at large, or answering the question posed, you went off on a tangent as though I'm supposed to care about the effect my powerleveling offers have on the people I give it to. Unfortunately, given that it's put in an unusually courteous and (save the occasional typo or five) well-articulated manner, I'm almost certain that reporting your post wouldn't get anything done towards removing it. But thank you for putting a wall of text between me and any future answers to the question posed.

[z00t]

Short answer is that yes, your friends can join you in OP8 and get experience very quickly. They will be completely ineffective killing anything of course. They will get the treat of tagging along in the background doing nothing while you kill stuff. Yay for them, free xp.
Can you powerlevel them to OP8 this way? Well, if you got to OP8 legit, you should know the answer to this.

Then there is the thorny ethical question comcerning leveling someone who is pre-UVHM to UVHM levels. This is a bad idea. Really it is. If you are going to supply them with on-level gear, I suppose it might be a reasonable thing to do because when they do start UVHM they might be able to survive.

Kudos for wanting to help people out. Powerleveling is not helping though, especially in UVHM. You yourself said that they don't need powerleveling, so why are you wanting to go ahead and do it anyway?

If you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, well, you don't know what a troll is.

[HiTmAn]

yes u can but that will not be favor for them at all they will be stuck without gear

[Netatsake]

Publicado originalmente por z00t:

Short answer is that yes, your friends can join you in OP8 and get experience very quickly. They will be completely ineffective killing anything of course. They will get the treat of tagging along in the background doing nothing while you kill stuff. Yay for them, free xp.
Can you powerlevel them to OP8 this way? Well, if you got to OP8 legit, you should know the answer to this.

Then there is the thorny ethical question comcerning leveling someone who is pre-UVHM to UVHM levels. This is a bad idea. Really it is. If you are going to supply them with on-level gear, I suppose it might be a reasonable thing to do because when they do start UVHM they might be able to survive.

Kudos for wanting to help people out. Powerleveling is not helping though, especially in UVHM. You yourself said that they don't need powerleveling, so why are you wanting to go ahead and do it anyway?

If you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, well, you don't know what a troll is.

My wording was "while they don't need it, I offer it to them anyway." The wording was not that I force them to join my game against their will and powerlevel them. Regardless, I've never actually had anybody stick around past level 40 or so during it. My reasoning for assuming the previous poster was a troll had nothing to do with him disagreeing with me, and everything to do with the way in which he went about it, going from talking about powerleveling to talking about how I should take my generosity out of the game world entirely. It came across as a rather hoity-toity way of saying 'get a life and make some real friends instead of bribing people with powerleveling.' While the possibility is there that he wasn't trolling, he also didn't exactly do anything to answer my question. You, however, did, and I thank you for it.

[Nakos]

Publicado originalmente por Netatsake:

I'm going to assume that you're a very dedicated troll, given that rather than asking any particular question that has any bearing on the post at large, or answering the question posed, you went off on a tangent as though I'm supposed to care about the effect my powerleveling offers have on the people I give it to. Unfortunately, given that it's put in an unusually courteous and (save the occasional typo or five) well-articulated manner, I'm almost certain that reporting your post wouldn't get anything done towards removing it. But thank you for putting a wall of text between me and any future answers to the question posed.

I agree with Zen_Master, "power-leveling" is in fact, detrimental. I won't belabor his points, but he's made some excellent ones that you'd be well served in considering.

[Netatsake]

So then I should focus on powerleveling more intelligently/deliberately and stopping people at 45-50, where they can still get gear from TVH before going into UVH. Alright.

[HiTmAn]

lvl them up up to 31..... with that they can have 1 last skill after that... leave him...that is huge help...