Why has modding for skyrim gone to hell?

[Fatum]

Trying to mod my game because I can never really get enough skyrim but wanted to make it feel fresh...used to be able to go on Nexus and grab a dozen or so mods and go.

Now?

"This mod requires X Y Z mods to function"
Ok..fine, go to download those mods Mod X requires 3 mods, Y requires 5, Z requires 2 more. Each of these has it's own dependencies. Next thing you know you have 100+ mods and half of them conflict with each other.

[ShelLuser]

I've been modding Skyrim for quite a while now and this has always been the case. Just pick up other mods.

This is also the reason why you can check dependencies both ways; so also checking to see which mods rely on whatever mod you're trying to install.

That's how I manage to steer clear from "library mods" that only have very limited uses.

[Fatum]

It didnt used to be like this...there was a time when at most you'd have to get SKSE and maybe one other if you wanted a mod that added animations..but now everything requires something else. Guessing it's modders way of generating more traffic to their pages by making their mods in parts so people have to click on all their files.

I'm about to just delete this mod manager tho...installed all these mods through it, sorted and resolved all the issues I can, game wont run when I launch through it. Ironically the only things that do work is the mods I installed manually...

[sdack]

Nobody can make you love modding but yourself. When you hate it and cannot get around to it then drop it.

[Raitøx]

Originally posted by Fatum:

It didnt used to be like this...there was a time when at most you'd have to get SKSE and maybe one other if you wanted a mod that added animations..but now everything requires something else. Guessing it's modders way of generating more traffic to their pages by making their mods in parts so people have to click on all their files.

I'm about to just delete this mod manager tho...installed all these mods through it, sorted and resolved all the issues I can, game wont run when I launch through it. Ironically the only things that do work is the mods I installed manually...

Or maybe that's because bethesda crap on everyone who play with mods not from their workshop by releasing "fix" for their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ anniversary edition (last update was september 2022) that break everyone mods list and force you to use their useless workshop with bugged mods on it.

If you're able to rollback your skyrim into pre-anniversary state (there is surely a guide somewhere you can find on your own) you could go back to your good old time when you only mostly needed script extender.

Or make you own mods instead or saying modder are all manipulative which is quite hypocrite since it doesn't seem to stop you to use their mods...

[Fatum]

uhh...i think you need to look up the defenition of words before you use them lol....and yeah, it does stop me from using them. I deleted all of the mods that require other mods. Left with just some basic ones.

[Abstr4cted]

Bunch of mod lists to download on Wabbajack if you don't want to do it yourself.

[xybolt]

you can use collections (wabbajack or nexus collections) if you want to have a predefined mod list. However, do know that if there's trouble, it's best to ask there instead of here.

That a mod is having dependency on other mod is a good thing IMO. It creates reusabilty of a given asset. That you have a mod that depends of some mods and that those are dependent on other mods ... yeah ... nobody forces you to get them.

However, one of my rules is to not take a mod if it has 5+ or "level 3" dependencies ...

[ShelLuser]

Originally posted by Fatum:

It didnt used to be like this...

Has always been this way. Heck, even if you enter the "lewd" part of things, which I've also tried out, you'll come across mods that give you a dependency hell. And most of those mods have a tendency to be outdated. You can still grab mods from years back and lo and behold: they have multiple dependencies (and I'm not talking about SKSE + "the base mod we don't speak off" ).

[FauxFurry]

That is what happens when one mod builds upon other mods to allow for greater complexity or scripting efficiency.
Creation Club is the way to go for simplicity in adding content to the game. Open wallet, cash goes out, DLC goes into hard drive.

[UsernameTaken666]

yes. The modding took an arrow to the knee.
why has the IQ of Skyrim players plunged off of a cliff?

[Sep]

Check whether it was hard or soft requirement.

Soft - Not necessary to have it, but the quality might not be as good without it.
Hard- A must have in order for the mod to run correctly.

Most of the time when a mod require a lot of other mod to run it, it isn't always necessary a hard requirement for it.

[aro]

This thread is odd. The OP has a legitimate concern (dependency hell) and he's met mostly with deflecting and derision. We should strive to improve and not die on hills of tradition.

[zero.calvin]

Originally posted by Fatum:

Trying to mod my game because I can never really get enough skyrim but wanted to make it feel fresh...used to be able to go on Nexus and grab a dozen or so mods and go.

Now?

"This mod requires X Y Z mods to function"
Ok..fine, go to download those mods Mod X requires 3 mods, Y requires 5, Z requires 2 more. Each of these has it's own dependencies. Next thing you know you have 100+ mods and half of them conflict with each other.

that is because mods have become more complex and modder is building from each other works to give us a better experience...

[4K_240hz_MLED]

Originally posted by aro:

This thread is odd. The OP has a legitimate concern (dependency hell) and he's met mostly with deflecting and derision. We should strive to improve and not die on hills of tradition.

you described PC veteran Skyrim players in a nutshell (with some exceptions)

just look at all the threads where people deflect when others claim you can run Skyrim past 60fps with specific mods and tweaks without issues

[Sephrajin]

Now if you would have said which mods, we could have been more precice with advice.

I second that, lewd = depency hell.
However, regular mods, not so much - but some mods just have included patches for a BUNCH of other mods that otherwise might/would conflict.

Like... LUX... it does not require those gazzllion other mods it mentions while installing, thats just for.... troubleshooting. ;)

I highly recomend to use any Mod Manager of your choice, best advice would be either MO2 or Vortex if you want to use Nexus-collections.
Collections give a fresh taste without you need to figure and solve dependencies or load order conflicts.

If that is what you want (collections), my recomendation would be Vortex - which in itself should be installed with some things in mind for best use.
I'm curator for 2 modular collections, 1 for FO4 (Module) and 1 for Skyrim (LuV), so I'm confident to say, if you install Vortex according to my guide, you'll have the best possible experience while working with (any, not just my ones) collections
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2818521483

Last but not least....
If you use a mod manager, do not install mods manualy, this will mess things up.
No matter if you use MO2 or Vortex, both will no longer properly work.