(Matchmaking) - Broken or working as intended? -

[Maniacal Musings Of Madness]

I am guessing this system is broken because otherwise I most likely would not be here asking this question. I have learned from the in game chat (on the few times that it actually works) that there is something called the Elo since the in game rank numbers mean nothing. But they do mean something oddly as I try to complete the quests, sigh.

Is the Elo meant to make you lose when you are doing too good? I will be on a win streak and then all of the sudden I am teamed with players intentionally losing or who struggle with the most basic of game concepts. The higher level I get in the (pointless?) ranks the worse the matchmaking becomes, how and why am I getting grouped with such bad players? Do I just have to lose a bunch of games in a row to progress? I am just really confused on how to progress correctly in this game.

If I play well I am punished and that is very confusing to me. Is there a way to block these horrible players that seem intent on forcing you to lose? I am stuck on 9 in rank just trying to get to Master or 5 and it seems like this game is doing everything to hinder that progress.

I am not trying to be a smart ass and not trolling, I honestly just want to complete all the in game quests and achievements before this game ends completely. Any productive input is welcome and just want to figure out what I need to do right/wrong to actually progress...

Thank you for reading and replying, I appreciate your time and input.

[BadAsAFish80]

Rank = For visual progression and rewards.
Elo (hidden) = For matchmaking.

Nothing is meant to make you lose. Ideally the matches will have 4 players of equal Elo but this isn't likely due to the number of players hence the matchmaker tries to find a match with teams of an equal average Elo.

[Whispdragoon62]

Typical Blizzard style ELO that forces a 50% win/loss.

And like all Blizzard games, they die because its not fun.

Getting better is just rewarded by getting matched against 200IQ asians.

[Jackeea]

What do you want man, do you still want to get matched against brand new players despite having thousands of hours

[Maniacal Musings Of Madness]

Originally posted by BadAsAFish80:

Rank = For visual progression and rewards.
Elo (hidden) = For matchmaking.

Nothing is meant to make you lose. Ideally the matches will have 4 players of equal Elo but this isn't likely due to the number of players hence the matchmaker tries to find a match with teams of an equal average Elo.

Thank you for the information. I am just getting a bunch of teammates that are either not playing or intentionally making the matches 3 vs 1, it just becomes rather annoying especially when the bad actors continue to do it over and over with no repercussions.

Originally posted by Whispdragoon62:

Typical Blizzard style ELO that forces a 50% win/loss.

And like all Blizzard games, they die because its not fun.

Getting better is just rewarded by getting matched against 200IQ asians.

Thank you for the reply, that is disheartening.

Originally posted by Jackeea:

What do you want man, do you still want to get matched against brand new players despite having thousands of hours

Thanks for the reply but I think your reading comprehension skills are lacking. I did not say anything about wanting easy opponents or even imply such a thing. I want teammates that actually play or have at least the basic understanding about the game.

If the Elo thing actually worked I should not be teamed with players who intentionally lose or struggle with basic bridge control. If I am on a win streak I should be getting placed with other players that are doing well not someone that feeds the other team wins. Loses happen and as long as the teammate was actually trying that is fine, some mix ups do not end well.

- Thank you three for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it. Have a wonderful weekend!

[ShadowFox]

Imo its kind of playing the odds if you play 10 games and win 6 in a row you are sort of bound to get a less than steller teammate or go VS someone else that is on a big win streak so they will be stronger than your average player. The way I look at it is that if I'm winning more than 60% I'm still going up albeit slowly. If you always win then you are in the wrong rank and if you lose more than half you are in the right rank but have to update your deck

[Zyber]

I got tired of that long ago. What I do now is play, usually, just three matches. If I win two out of three I am done for the day. If I win all three I might keep going until I get one loss, then I am done. If I loose two matches in a row I take a break for a day or two. It is a fun game, but just another game out of thousands, tens of thousand.... (I actually have no idea how many games in general are out there. It is a lot.) No need or reason to stress over it. This game is not worth it.

There is no way around how matchmaking is set up. It is what it is and it has been like this for a long time. Don't stress yourself out about it. Besides I really don't see this game being around in a few months. I hope I am wrong but the numbers don't lie.

I still see this game being sold in the near future to some company like gamigo or worse. That will NOT be a good thing. But it does fit the pattern of the bad choices that keep getting made with this game.

[Maniacal Musings Of Madness]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

Imo its kind of playing the odds if you play 10 games and win 6 in a row you are sort of bound to get a less than steller teammate or go VS someone else that is on a big win streak so they will be stronger than your average player. The way I look at it is that if I'm winning more than 60% I'm still going up albeit slowly. If you always win then you are in the wrong rank and if you lose more than half you are in the right rank but have to update your deck

Thank you for the input and your time.

Originally posted by Zyb:

I got tired of that long ago. What I do now is play, usually, just three matches. If I win two out of three I am done for the day. If I win all three I might keep going until I get one loss, then I am done. If I loose two matches in a row I take a break for a day or two. It is a fun game, but just another game out of thousands, tens of thousand.... (I actually have no idea how many games in general are out there. It is a lot.) No need or reason to stress over it. This game is not worth it.

There is no way around how matchmaking is set up. It is what it is and it has been like this for a long time. Don't stress yourself out about it. Besides I really don't see this game being around in a few months. I hope I am wrong but the numbers don't lie.

I still see this game being sold in the near future to some company like gamigo or worse. That will NOT be a good thing. But it does fit the pattern of the bad choices that keep getting made with this game.

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate your time spent communicating this.

- I appreciate your time and input from both of you. You have given me some things to mull over. Thank you.

[FGCNN | Nurdell]

'Blizzard style'? Huh, I thought it's Riot games who popularized that hidden elo approach. With blogpost that went something like this: "Yes, there's hidden elo that's used for matchmaking. We use it for uhh, security purposes. just trust us"
And like with just about everything that Riot games does, it infuriates [me] to no end.

Yes, I would have preffered if it matched by rank. I'm currently being matched '10 ranks higher' than I am on ranks.
But - I decided, What can I do, not play this beautiful game? After all, I do not drown with this 10 ranks higher situation; I swim.

[Semorel]

Originally posted by BadAsAFish80:

Rank = For visual progression and rewards.
Elo (hidden) = For matchmaking.

Nothing is meant to make you lose. Ideally the matches will have 4 players of equal Elo but this isn't likely due to the number of players hence the matchmaker tries to find a match with teams of an equal average Elo.

BS
You can watch the quality of the teammates go down as your win streak goes up.

I 100% believe they are trying to get wins for the horrible players and by teaming them up with the people that win more, they give them free wins. While this may be their intention, what it actually does is match good players with toxic players making the game way less enjoyable.

You can also change who they are matching you up with by losing over and over.

[Semorel]

Originally posted by Jackeea:

What do you want man, do you still want to get matched against brand new players despite having thousands of hours

I would prefer to not be teamed up with brand new players.
It gets really funny when someone with their highest rank card being bronze, while that is your lowest rank card, calling you a noob because you did not carry them well enough.

[Jackeea]

Originally posted by Semorel:

I 100% believe they are trying to get wins for the horrible players and by teaming them up with the people that win more, they give them free wins. While this may be their intention, what it actually does is match good players with toxic players making the game way less enjoyable.

You can also change who they are matching you up with by losing over and over.

Literally why would they try to turn away their more enfranchised veteran players, what the hell are you smoking

Originally posted by Semorel:

It gets really funny when someone with their highest rank card being bronze, while that is your lowest rank card, calling you a noob because you did not carry them well enough.

What does glory have to do with anything?????????

[Semorel]

Originally posted by ShadowFox:

Imo its kind of playing the odds if you play 10 games and win 6 in a row you are sort of bound to get a less than steller teammate or go VS someone else that is on a big win streak so they will be stronger than your average player. The way I look at it is that if I'm winning more than 60% I'm still going up albeit slowly. If you always win then you are in the wrong rank and if you lose more than half you are in the right rank but have to update your deck

Not what is happening.
You can watch the progression of teammates as your win streak goes up. About the time you hit around 16 wins in a row, you can expect skeleton decks, no anti air, no HP and a lack of any attempt to defend the base.
I would be willing to bet that if I set up a new account and only played 3 cards a game, the matchmaking would ensure I get wins by teaming me up with better and better players with matching me against worse and worse teammates.

I have started taking screenshots of the horrible decks my teammates bring into the game. I cannot show how they make no attempt to win with screenshots. I would estimate 90% of my teammates lack a viable deck. I still carry many of them to wins.

[Semorel]

Originally posted by Jackeea:

Originally posted by Semorel:

I 100% believe they are trying to get wins for the horrible players and by teaming them up with the people that win more, they give them free wins. While this may be their intention, what it actually does is match good players with toxic players making the game way less enjoyable.

You can also change who they are matching you up with by losing over and over.

Literally why would they try to turn away their more enfranchised veteran players, what the hell are you smoking

Originally posted by Semorel:

It gets really funny when someone with their highest rank card being bronze, while that is your lowest rank card, calling you a noob because you did not carry them well enough.

What does glory have to do with anything?????????

They are not trying to do that, but that is what they are doing. What they are trying to do is make sure bad players win. They think this will keep the bad players around longer and it may. It also drives good players away, because who wants to be teamed up with a backpack every game?

That was put there to show just how deluded the players are. Calling someone a noob when you have not even raised a card to silver shows a lack of understanding. The information is available, but they know so little about the game, they cannot comprehend it. The reason that horrible players think they are good players is because they are carried by good players regularly. They have no idea that they are horrible, because nothing shows them how little they did. There are no stats and they are intentionally matched with better players. This increases their win rate and they are too clueless to understand that they were carried into that win.

While removing the hidden matchmaking is the right answer, the least they could do would be to show stats, so those horrible players understand that they did nearly nothing in their match.

[BadAsAFish80]

Elo matchmaking doesn't try to make anyone win or anyone lose, it just tries to make a fair match based on the available players. The answer, which will never happen unfortunately, is not to remove the hidden Elo matchmaking but to simply make it visible. Elo based matchmaking is much better than rank based since it isn't affected by win streak bonuses or point loss mitigation and is effectively carried across from season to season.

[Semorel]

Originally posted by BadAsAFish80:

Elo matchmaking doesn't try to make anyone win or anyone lose, it just tries to make a fair match based on the available players. The answer, which will never happen unfortunately, is not to remove the hidden Elo matchmaking but to simply make it visible. Elo based matchmaking is much better than rank based since it isn't affected by win streak bonuses or point loss mitigation and is effectively carried across from season to season.

This is 100% untrue. Fair would be having the same challenge for every player. When you are intentionally teaming good players up with toxic players and new players you make the experience horrible for the good players. This makes the good players leave. Only stubborn people will stay. This is 100% why this game is dying.

ELO matchmaking is not a better system. It makes it so that good players have to work harder for the same reward as those that are horrible. That changes the outcomes and elevates horrible players and puts toxic players in matches with your better players. Since you do nothing about greifing, it also increases the amount of griefing that happens.

Nothing about the existing system is fair. It is designed to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ good players and elevate the toxic players.

I could show you a list of my teammates from last night and you will see not a one of them had a realistic deck. Although I carried many of them, not one of them should have won any of those matches. But, since the hidden elo matchmaking elevated them to a much higher rank than they earned, they believe themselves to be good players.

The fair matchmaking would be straight rank vs rank. Good players will advance and play good players, while bad players will not advance and will continue to play other bad and toxic players.

I think you are using the communist/slaver mentality that exploiting some people for the benefit of others is honorable. It is not.