pay 2 win?

[GrungeBro]

yeah is this game pay to win as much as i hear it is?

[Jackeea]

It's genuinely one of the least pay to win games out there. It's ludicrously easy to grind to get whatever cards you want. And, unlike most card games (looking at you, MtG), the best cards aren't super-rare super expensive mythic legendary cards. They're ordinary commons.

Winning games generally comes down to playing well, not having bought the best cards.

[BadAsAFish80]

Originally posted by Jackeea:

It's genuinely one of the least pay to win games out there. It's ludicrously easy to grind to get whatever cards you want. And, unlike most card games (looking at you, MtG), the best cards aren't super-rare super expensive mythic legendary cards. They're ordinary commons.

Winning games generally comes down to playing well, not having bought the best cards.

100% this.

[CLΛRK PARKΞR]

Originally posted by Jackeea:

It's genuinely one of the least pay to win games out there. It's ludicrously easy to grind to get whatever cards you want.

Partly true - you can actually earn a lot of cards really easily and create good decks with them...

Originally posted by Jackeea:

And, unlike most card games (looking at you, MtG), the best cards aren't super-rare super expensive mythic legendary cards. They're ordinary commons.

Not sure about that - every season the new cards are op or "broken" or both and locked behind the Season Pass, which give paying players the advantage of getting the cards very early.
In the free tier you get them most of the time nearly at the end of the pass / season and when the season ends every time the op season cards get nerfed and the new op cards are revealed with the next season. Just take a look at these examples here in the discussions:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/489520/discussions/0/5595187488979607530/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489520/discussions/0/3547176090256352903/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489520/discussions/0/5595187488976732744/

Originally posted by Jackeea:

Winning games generally comes down to playing well

true - best cards won't help if you're a bad player

Originally posted by Jackeea:

Winning games generally comes down to playing well, not having bought the best cards.

Not sure about that either - when only good players who know what they are doing meet, the season cards are usually a decisive advantage - at least till Master rank.
But I suppose after 2k hours and almost a full year of play time (over 8k hours) you don't see it that way anymore.
no offense - had my ups and downs with this game and still loving and playing it - only my two cents -

[Jackeea]

The new cards being OP/broken is something the devs try to avoid - that's why there's a public testing field for players to try out the new cards and give their two cents on the balance. While City Watch and Sanctum are strong... when was the last time you saw anyone play Cowardly Imps or Korrrgoth (the last 2 cards released)?

[CLΛRK PARKΞR]

Originally posted by Jackeea:

The new cards being OP/broken is something the devs try to avoid

I am not convinced of this ;) And I get it - DEVs have to make a living out of this game!
Sanctum is exactly what I mean, an overpowered season card. I bet with you this card gets nerfed in the next season! ;)
And Korrrgoth I've seen quite a bit recently, I would guess only today i saw it in about 10 Games out of 30 in diamond 3 to 1 (remember - got's buffed in the last update ;) )
But again, I won't argue with you - you're slightly biased with that amount of hours in the game - once again - no offense- I like the game nevertheless :)

[ZAToM]

Originally posted by CLΛRK PARKΞR:

Originally posted by Jackeea:

The new cards being OP/broken is something the devs try to avoid

I am not convinced of this ;) And I get it - DEVs have to make a living out of this game!
Sanctum is exactly what I mean, an overpowered season card. I bet with you this card gets nerfed in the next season! ;)
And Korrrgoth I've seen quite a bit recently, I would guess only today i saw it in about 10 Games out of 30 in diamond 3 to 1 (remember - got's buffed in the last update ;) )
But again, I won't argue with you - you're slightly biased with that amount of hours in the game - once again - no offense- I like the game nevertheless :)

i can do it

i think this game is definition of pay2win- not just that, its very predatory and invasive and just pure "evil" monetization preying on gambling addiction and all that bad stuff, pop ups after a match, timely limited offers, you see what you dont get for not paying etc
and the worst there is no set amount of money you COULD pay to get anything you want, that all is rng based too-
sure, its probably "easy to grind" (compared to some mmo or whatever) but i play for a little time now and there are some cards that i really would like but i know if i craft them i will draw it afterwards so i have to stack my ressources until i can craft "all cards" that i want, and that sucks a lot

and no offense, its still a very cool and good game that i like to play, im just a little fascinated how you all say "aah its not that bad" when its literally the worst (that i have played for more than 1 day atleast)
you say its not that bad, because there are not that many cards? cause the prices not that high? i mean yea, the numbers arent that bad but the mechanics in place are the ♥♥♥♥♥ worst.

or, im sorry for this assumption, but are you all mobile players who are just used to this ♥♥♥♥ so much that you reaaallly think this is not bad?

[zykva]

I'm level 290 with more than 12,000 victories and I never payed anything in this game. You pay only if you want to.

[ZAToM]

Originally posted by zykva:

I'm level 290 with more than 12,000 victories and I never payed anything in this game. You pay only if you want to.

how many hours?

[zykva]

Originally posted by ZAToM:

Originally posted by zykva:

I'm level 290 with more than 12,000 victories and I never payed anything in this game. You pay only if you want to.

how many hours?

Around 2,000 :)))

[Basan™]

I won't even bother to reply to the OP's question because my opinions are too darn well expressed in those 3 threads linked in a post shortly below his/hers. But summing it all up... Atm, the current game economical system deviously and strongly entices you to be on the "P2W" side intead of the one that goes and collects all cards given due time.

Originally posted by zykva:

I'm level 290 with more than 12,000 victories and I never payed anything in this game. You pay only if you want to.

Just out of curiosity... for how long have you been playing this game? And I mostly say this because I don't recall your name from being in any other thread of this game's community.

[zykva]

Originally posted by Basan™:

I won't even bother to reply to the OP's question because my opinions are too darn well expressed in those 3 threads linked in a post shortly below his/hers. But summing it all up... Atm, the current game economical system deviously and strongly entices you to be on the "P2W" side intead of the one that goes and collects all cards given due time.

Originally posted by zykva:

I'm level 290 with more than 12,000 victories and I never payed anything in this game. You pay only if you want to.

Just out of curiosity... for how long have you been playing this game? And I mostly say this because I don't recall your name from being in any other thread of this game's community. :winter2019tiredbulb:

I leave factions. No time for quests because of job . And around 2,000 h as I said

[zykva]

Originally posted by zykva:

Originally posted by Basan™:

I won't even bother to reply to the OP's question because my opinions are too darn well expressed in those 3 threads linked in a post shortly below his/hers. But summing it all up... Atm, the current game economical system deviously and strongly entices you to be on the "P2W" side intead of the one that goes and collects all cards given due time.



Just out of curiosity... for how long have you been playing this game? And I mostly say this because I don't recall your name from being in any other thread of this game's community. :winter2019tiredbulb:

I leave factions. No time for quests because of job . And around 2,000 h as I said

If you don't believe me add me as steam contact and play Minions with me :)

[zykva]

Originally posted by zykva:

Originally posted by zykva:

I leave factions. No time for quests because of job . And around 2,000 h as I said

If you don't believe me add me as steam contact and play Minions with me :)

So you will see how many hours I've played and then delete me as contact. Right ?

[romy]

Originally posted by ZAToM:

i think this game is definition of pay2win- not just that, its very predatory and invasive and just pure "evil" monetization preying on gambling addiction and all that bad stuff, pop ups after a match, timely limited offers, you see what you dont get for not paying etc
and the worst there is no set amount of money you COULD pay to get anything you want, that all is rng based too-
sure, its probably "easy to grind" (compared to some mmo or whatever) but i play for a little time now and there are some cards that i really would like but i know if i craft them i will draw it afterwards so i have to stack my ressources until i can craft "all cards" that i want, and that sucks a lot

and no offense, its still a very cool and good game that i like to play, im just a little fascinated how you all say "aah its not that bad" when its literally the worst (that i have played for more than 1 day atleast)
you say its not that bad, because there are not that many cards? cause the prices not that high? i mean yea, the numbers arent that bad but the mechanics in place are the ♥♥♥♥♥ worst.

or, im sorry for this assumption, but are you all mobile players who are just used to this ♥♥♥♥ so much that you reaaallly think this is not bad?

pretty much this.

But some people with thousands of hours among years and all the cards try really hard to pretend like new players with limited cards have a chance without paying a LOT to catch up. And then they pretend they win because of skill only lmao. The very definition of ptw.

[zykva]

Originally posted by Romy:

Originally posted by ZAToM:

i think this game is definition of pay2win- not just that, its very predatory and invasive and just pure "evil" monetization preying on gambling addiction and all that bad stuff, pop ups after a match, timely limited offers, you see what you dont get for not paying etc
and the worst there is no set amount of money you COULD pay to get anything you want, that all is rng based too-
sure, its probably "easy to grind" (compared to some mmo or whatever) but i play for a little time now and there are some cards that i really would like but i know if i craft them i will draw it afterwards so i have to stack my ressources until i can craft "all cards" that i want, and that sucks a lot

and no offense, its still a very cool and good game that i like to play, im just a little fascinated how you all say "aah its not that bad" when its literally the worst (that i have played for more than 1 day atleast)
you say its not that bad, because there are not that many cards? cause the prices not that high? i mean yea, the numbers arent that bad but the mechanics in place are the ♥♥♥♥♥ worst.

or, im sorry for this assumption, but are you all mobile players who are just used to this ♥♥♥♥ so much that you reaaallly think this is not bad?

pretty much this.

But some people with thousands of hours among years and all the cards try really hard to pretend like new players with limited cards have a chance without paying a LOT to catch up. And then they pretend they win because of skill only lmao. The very definition of ptw.

When you begin the game you have battles against same levels as yours lol