Nerf the monkey

[Malkiah]

Right now there is a swarm of people using decks with 3 decks and healing that means that pretty much all possible counters to him are useless because none of them kill them outright except for the colossus which btw is not a common like him. So my proposition is to simply reduce the monkey hp by 50 so it can then be one shot by cleavers and similar cards otherwise monkey decks will continue to run rampamt and yes sucubus do counter them to a degree right now but again that is not a common card it is a supreme one so good luck getting one.

[Marlowe-33]

+1, People like hahahaha use them and belive they are very good players when all they are is cheap cheese OP card users with no brains..

it's pathetic but funny.

[Mr Gonko]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/489520/discussions/0/135511027322028601/

[RushSecond]

It's pretty trivial to play some other minion to deal 50 damage to a monkey so your cleaver can finish it off before the opponent can react with anything. Killing an enraged monkey in this fashion is pretty crippling to the opponent (especially if the healing fireball was in the air when the monkey died) since now he will have very little mana to defend. Most monkey spam decks don't have anything that can safely tank a cleaver hit so they are forced to take that damage to their master. Generally just try to cycle quickly through your deck to play cleaver as often as you can and you will win.

Defenso Choppers and Cannon Rollers are other common cards the counter monkeys, and both of those are also useful in other matchups so there's no excuse to not have those in your deck.

If there's any nerf monkeys need its the range of their attack speed buff. Crossbows shooting a monkey at max range really shouldn't give the monkey tons of attack speed.

[Khazlariko]

Originally posted by RushSecond:

If there's any nerf monkeys need its the range of their attack speed buff. Crossbows shooting a monkey at max range really shouldn't give the monkey tons of attack speed.

I have no issue with this. There needs to be some downside to filling your deck with triple crossbow dudes. Granted, Stormbringer's second perk can get away with it.

Some of the monkey decks are running blue golem, probably for the reason to tank a cleaver coming for them.

But your first point is right. If your master is capable of doing 50 damage reasonably well, Cleaver will finish it off before they have a chance to do anything. They aren't going to heal their monkey when it's down 50 hp. If you don't want it anywhere near your master, then other minions could achieve the same effect. 350 hp is already pretty low.

[Malkiah]

The top 10 players are using mass monkey decks for a reason and everyone sees that so everyone is copying them.

[Malkiah]

The two most common types of decks that i find on ladder latetly is monkey and mass agro decks. The aggro decks i can live with it even though they are annoying but monkey decks are really annoying if you dont have any supreme or legendary cards that counter it, and yes if you play the bow hero you have the extra damage to kill the monkey if you use the cleaver but everyone else is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by them.

[Malkiah]

Also the reason i dont like to use the bow hero it is because it is a hero that focuses on turtling to a degree that becomes nuissance, thaqt is why dont use a deck like that I want this game to thrive not be a turtle that annoys everyone else.

[RushSecond]

Originally posted by Khazlariko:

I have no issue with this. There needs to be some downside to filling your deck with triple crossbow dudes. Granted, Stormbringer's second perk can get away with it.

Sure, Crossbows are another big can of beans that needs addressing. But there's lots of other ways to nerf them, so it's not necessarily a reason to keep the monkey's attack speed size the way it is.

Originally posted by Raz:

The top 10 players are using mass monkey decks for a reason and everyone sees that so everyone is copying them.

Right now only two people in the top 10 are using monkey decks, and I have played against one of them repeatedly and forced him to switch decks because the monkey spam had such a bad winrate vs me.

[Malkiah]

Well i personally dont have an issue with monkey decks right now because I got lucky and got a few legendary cards that can deal with them but my biggest issue with it it is that all conventional ways of dealing with a minion doesnt work with the monkey and the only hero that can kill him with the cleaver is the stormbringer. my biggest issue with it is that alot of people from silver to gold and purple league are using monkey decks that are straight up copy paste from some of the top 10 players and yes not everyone in the top 10 is always using monkey decks but there is times where almost half of them are using monkey decks and they are pretty much copy paste from one another. I just hope the next update breaks this flow of just monkey stuff.

[Khazlariko]

Originally posted by Raz:

and the only hero that can kill him with the cleaver is the stormbringer.

This is most definitely not true. The only comment I was making about Stormbringer was that at perk 2, most ranged units will have 10 range and can be put outside the buff range of the monkey. Most masters can use Cleaver to kill a monkey effectively. KP only needs 1 hit + cleaver and the monkey is dead. I don't know many people who will heal the monkey after getting hit by KP once but even so, good timing and you can have both happening at once. Settsu/Apep/Volco/Stormbringer only need two hits + single cleaver hit.

Also, the most common things to counter the battle monkey are commons. Not supremes and legendaries. Though, I do like using snake druid against those decks.

[Malkiah]

well i was not refering to the stormbringer second perk but his first worldwide range is pretty good thing indeed and it is specially usefull when fighting a monkey on the bridge.

[Khazlariko]

Originally posted by Raz:

well i was not refering to the stormbringer second perk but his first worldwide range is pretty good thing indeed and it is specially usefull when fighting a monkey on the bridge.

Well, don't fight him on the bridge then. Especially since Palace was using KP last time I versed him. No idea what the lower ranked players are using.

[Malkiah]

There is a few KP players but alot of them kinda suck specially on the switch timings and stuff like that. Anyway on lower ranks you usually see a ton of players using the current heroes on rotation so yeah that is why stormbringer turtle is one of the most popular decks in low ranks. Outside of the copy paste of monkey decks and super aggro decks that is. Also is marine spell heavy decks dead or what? I havent seen a good marine in awhile using that. Also what happened to the undead decks? it is just like they disapeared from the face of the earth.

[Malkiah]

Also the guy with a trollface in gold league is annoying as hell. I guess he lives up to his image.

[Khazlariko]

Originally posted by Raz:

There is a few KP players but alot of them kinda suck specially on the switch timings and stuff like that. Anyway on lower ranks you usually see a ton of players using the current heroes on rotation so yeah that is why stormbringer turtle is one of the most popular decks in low ranks. Outside of the copy paste of monkey decks and super aggro decks that is. Also is marine spell heavy decks dead or what? I havent seen a good marine in awhile using that. Also what happened to the undead decks? it is just like they disapeared from the face of the earth.

I'm not sure what you mean by marine spell decks and undead decks. Settsu nest decks still exist. Undying skeleton took a nerf not that long back, but I was still having some decent success with it.

Hahahaha/Global Troll is annoying, but not that good. He'll try to copy some strong combo but not use it well.