Huge disappointment

[DartMass]

Banner saga 1 was one of my favorite game of all times, mostly because of the difficulty of the battles and the need to think and strategize if you want to win every wave of every battle on hard difficulty.
Banner Saga 2 was good too but the battles were way easier especially if you imported the file and had like 200+ renown from the first game.
The banner saga 3 is a HUGE disappointment in terms of battle difficulty, I acknowledge that I had almost all the items and 250 renown on both parties from beating the second game. But considering that with some of the Heroic Titles I was able to win almost all the Battles even 3 waves with 1 heroe, makes this game ridiculously broken and a waste of my time. Most of the characters are so powerful that even if I don't use broken heroic titles the battles mostly consist of attack move. Comparing this to the first game it is night and day. I was waiting for this game with anticipation haven beating the first 2 games almost perfectly to have all the items and most renown possible, but I quickly realized that I will have no fun by clicking attack move every battle.

[el-zach]

My personal pet-peeve would be the introduction of way more chance (crit% and the likes) in tbs2 which carried through to tbs3.

Having sunk a fair bit of time into factions, because it didn't have that XCOM everything comes down to chance - I was kinda let down because of that introduction.

Haven't played the game on hard yet and I dont think I will... just doesn't scratch the same itch. :)

[Inardesco]

Huh, Bolverks caravan was harder in BS2 than Rook's caravan in the first BS.

Iver's caravan in BS3 has some useless characters for me in my current playthrough thus some battles are really close. Rook's having it a lot easier though told the horseborn to sod off.

My 2nd playthrough would be easier due to Alette's and Bolverks caravan both being stronger in BS2.

[Notingale]

Eh, first one was the worst for me in terms of combat, because keeping all enemies at death door, without finishing them off turned all of the battles into a casual walk.

[Aleonymous]

Facts (from my perspective):

1. Don't like RNG (Talents, Saga2, I'm looking at you!)
2. Saga2: Ravens harder than Skogr (lack of archers?)
3. Saga3: Arberrang FAR easier than Ravens.
4. Saga3: Importing power-played saves (100s of Renown etc) kinda breaks the game, yes, even on Hard, taking all chances (Waves) etc.

[Inardesco]

I'm without a power save and all the waves, while challenging, are doable.

[Aleonymous]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

I'm without a power save and all the waves, while challenging, are doable.

The question is -- Do you have Kivi?

[DartMass]

There are many broken mechanics in Banner Saga 3, to mention a few

1. Apostate + Eyvind + any heroe with high armor. If you pick this 2 and folka you can do 3 waves by doing atack move, at the end of the first wave Valka has like 50 Strength so you can immagine how fun it is to run and 1 shot everyone for another 2 waves.
2. Monster Killer Heroic Title. You take any varl or dredge with high armor, give him some armor restoring item and you can solo any 3 wave battle.

There are a couple of others, less broken but still atack move any battle.

And you dont need any powersave to do that.

And just to add. The banner saga 2 ravens part was very easy if you gave them some items before the caravans separate +2 armor per turn to folka and +3 Strength to bolverk + ideally +3 armor to krumr

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Aleonymous:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

I'm without a power save and all the waves, while challenging, are doable.

The question is -- Do you have Kivi? :Dredge:

I do....which is the main reason I'm getting through without too much trouble. All the Varl aside from Iver are useless in that save :(

Atleast I know I've got Krumr in my Alette save in Bolverks caravan.

[Islandia]

Yes it's pretty easy even on hard with a power save, but I imagine it would be much more difficult without going into 3 with hundreds if not thousands of renown. I think that the difficulty is what you make of it and if you find yourself using a completely broken mechanic like umbrage, then you always have a choice not to use it (just like overwatch with a knockback item in BS2 was completely broken - and still is in 3 for the most part).

[Aleonymous]

Originally posted by Islandia:

Yes it's pretty easy even on hard with a power save, but I imagine it would be much more difficult without going into 3 with hundreds if not thousands of renown. I think that the difficulty is what you make of it and if you find yourself using a completely broken mechanic like umbrage, then you always have a choice not to use it (just like overwatch with a knockback item in BS2 was completely broken - and still is in 3 for the most part).

Indeed. Balancing of combat abilities, and "trimming the leveling tree", as the Saga progressed was exceeding hard. Hence the so-many ImBa combos. I much preferred Saga1 (and Factions!) where everything was fair-and-square -- Except Bello ;)

[FuzzyPuffin]

I must really suck because even with an imported save and Kivi, Apostate and Eyvid I'm having a tough time starting in Ch. 20 on hard. Currently can't get past level 21. Loosing Folka hurt and now the game is making me use a 4-day injured Dytch....

Haven't been using Umbrage, though. I should try that!

[Scelous]

It's funny to read all these comments, because since BS1, I have been frustrated with how hard the games are. And I'm no pushover when it comes to games -- I usually play on hard, and have clocked in hundreds of hours into XCOM 1 & 2 on high difficulty ironman settings.

But TBS has always been frustratingly difficult, and 3 is no different for me. I think the biggest thing for me is I'm not good at powergaming -- I'm not good at thinking of broken combos and utilizing those. So that's probably the big reason.

[Scelous]

I assume by Valka you mean Juno? How can Juno possibly get 50 strength? Juno and Eyvind seem to be some of the worst characters, although I'll be the first to say I'm not using them correctly. But Juno seems to do absolutely no damager.

Originally posted by DartMass:

There are many broken mechanics in Banner Saga 3, to mention a few

1. Apostate + Eyvind + any heroe with high armor. If you pick this 2 and valka you can do 3 waves by doing atack move, at the end of the first wave Valka has like 50 Strength so you can immagine how fun it is to run and 1 shot everyone for another 2 waves.
2. Monster Killer Heroic Title. You take any varl or dredge with high armor, give him some armor restoring item and you can solo any 3 wave battle.

There are a couple of others, less broken but still atack move any battle.

And you dont need any powersave to do that.

And just to add. The banner saga 2 ravens part was very easy if you gave them some items before the caravans separate +2 armor per turn to valka and +3 Strength to bolverk + ideally +3 armor to krumr

[BigBlueWolf]

I'm playing my Alette BS2 save on Normal difficulty where I started with 20 renown and she was the only character at level 10. Easy? Phffft! I've restartted battles so many times because I didn't want mass casualties. My Iver group wasn't much better. No one had level 10.

[DartMass]

Originally posted by Scelous:

I assume by Valka you mean Juno? How can Juno possibly get 50 strength? Juno and Eyvind seem to be some of the worst characters, although I'll be the first to say I'm not using them correctly. But Juno seems to do absolutely no damager.

Originally posted by DartMass:

There are many broken mechanics in Banner Saga 3, to mention a few

1. Apostate + Eyvind + any heroe with high armor. If you pick this 2 and valka you can do 3 waves by doing atack move, at the end of the first wave Valka has like 50 Strength so you can immagine how fun it is to run and 1 shot everyone for another 2 waves.
2. Monster Killer Heroic Title. You take any varl or dredge with high armor, give him some armor restoring item and you can solo any 3 wave battle.

There are a couple of others, less broken but still atack move any battle.

And you dont need any powersave to do that.

And just to add. The banner saga 2 ravens part was very easy if you gave them some items before the caravans separate +2 armor per turn to valka and +3 Strength to bolverk + ideally +3 armor to krumr

No mate I mean folka, I don't use juno. Apostate gives -4 armor + 5 Strenght every Turn. Eyvind heals for 12+ Armor Every Turn and folka Gets Stronger and stronger Because she never gets Health damage. And if you think that Eyvind is worst character you didnt get it mate. Read all of the abilities descriptions if you struggle so much.

And it's not about broke combos, even if I don't use those 2 broke titles and combos I can basically attack Move almost all the battles if you use the right Characters and items.