What happened to Bearers HP?!!!

[CptGoodWood]

Bearers have always been weak but they had plenty of HP. I have bearers that had more than 10k HP and they all have less than 3k now!! I know the game has the pickup mechanic now but not right to nerf the Bearers that we spent timing tailoring for high HP. What gives, Funcom?!!!

[Phlanka]

noticed this one too, a tier 4 bearer starting health has 403 hp compared to a T3 bearer with 937 hp, its too low, i think they intend to balance the hp in the coming months. they did address this as i recall before.

[Noxsa]

trow it up the pile of already existing bugs "that never will be fixed, because bazaar gets prior".

[CptGoodWood]

Ya they have the pickup feature now but that didn't mean they had to nerf the ♥♥♥♥ out of our bearers. I had a T3 bearer with +10k hp. It now has 1300. Thirteen hundred. How stupid is that? I used to use bearers to help me with the Arena Champion because of their HP. Can't do it now. One swipe and they are out and you can't get to them to pick them up because the Champion will be on you. Idiot move on NoFunCom part.

[DarkFire]

I thought bearers were in a good place when they had high HP - it was the only compensation for their abysmally bad 0.5 x damage multipliers. With low damage multi and low health they become entirely pointless for anything outside of being pack horses, for which I think an actual horse is better.

[Jaq]

The only decent excuse for thralls coming out of the wheel of pain with 10x the health they had as NPCs was perma-death. Now that they can be resurrected they should all be nerfed to oblivion. Why they're in such a big hurry to start with T4 bearers though, I'm not sure.

The Arena Champion is one of only 2 remaining fights that a solo player can't brainlessly afk. It should murder any thrall ever brought in there so that there's some tiny challenge left to PVE. Almost every change they've made to the game in the past 3 years has made the game easier. We are way overdue for changes that restore some difficulty. Either that or they should remove "survival" from the genre listing.

[Scar]

Originally posted by Noxsa:

trow it up the pile of already existing bugs "that never will be fixed, because bazaar gets prior".

imagine thinking coding team and content team are the same people...... content people are probably brainstorming while the coding team does minimal, also bazaar has been on rotation with minimal content for the past god knows how long, the only decent thing that came out recently is the yamatai build

[Macdallan]

Complaining on Steam does no good because Funcom isn't here.

... but they are here: https://forums.funcom.com/c/conan-exiles/5 so go to this link, make an account, and let them know how you feel on their forums.

[Noxsa]

Originally posted by Scar:

Originally posted by Noxsa:

trow it up the pile of already existing bugs "that never will be fixed, because bazaar gets prior".

imagine thinking coding team and content team are the same people...... content people are probably brainstorming while the coding team does minimal, also bazaar has been on rotation with minimal content for the past god knows how long, the only decent thing that came out recently is the yamatai build

you absolute chad you are, did i say coding team and art team is the same, no i did not i said they focus on art and the coding team is nowhere to be seen, well not in conan they probably coding "as bad" for DUNE now. but hey thanks to show us that you can't read with a level of understanding.

that's why i said that bazaar "art team" gets priority. but hey twisting words is a thing you do probably.

[Aurelia]

I had seen mention of bearer HP nerf, but havn't been in the game for a month or so. That is pretty horrendous, but it sounds like they are still trying to adjust and work things. Those things really do need more hp than that..

Originally posted by Noxsa:

that's why i said that bazaar "art team" gets priority. but hey twisting words is a thing you do probably.

I'd say this is more so about words that were never said that were intended to be said, or said without clarity. I lean more towards the former, since you did not say "art team", you just said bazaar.

Originally posted by Noxsa:

trow it up the pile of already existing bugs "that never will be fixed, because bazaar gets prior".

A premature leap was made on an unclear post, as your first post would by default assert no division or teams.

I was confused by it too until I read your response, though I'd recommend against the aggression. Communication errors happen, but hostilities are an active choice. Best not to strain/stress yourself over misunderstandings as they are normal meaningless part of the day and doing so will only make the headaches even worse.

[ttv/VirtuallyBob™]

Originally posted by Aurelia:

Communication errors happen, but hostilities are an active choice. Best not to strain/stress yourself over misunderstandings as they are normal meaningless part of the day and doing so will only make the headaches even worse.

Hear hear!

[thurgond]

What they did was give bearers a faction. Previously, it didn't matter where you caught a bearer, they were basically the same. Made sense as they travel around. You could find a Cimmerian bearer on the noob river and a Darfari bearer at the Mounds. Currently, you only find Cimmerian bearers at the Mounds and the T1-3 bearers have the same extra extra armor but all the other T1-3 Cimmerians have.

I got four T4 bearers from the purge the other day. Two had around 2,200 HP to start, one had 517 and one 1,700.

[BondageSpider]

I remember having a Level 20 bearer once that I hadn't really been trying to level perfectly (best food etc.) and they still had 10,000 Health anyway. I always thought this was weird.

Bearers were probably never meant to be super tanks. A Thrall whose main gimmick is more inventory slots shouldn't carry more stacks and also be a better fighter than most of the actual fighters. I'd guess they've been meaning to address this oversight for a while.

[Lekker]

Bad thrall system because of bad combat system. See Soulmask for reference on how it is done.

[Aurelia]

Originally posted by Lekker:

Bad thrall system because of bad combat system. See Soulmask for reference on how it is done.

If CE took a moment to breathe actual life into thralls and the AI, that would be the most significant content update CE has had since...... well.... An undefined amount of time.

Ai is complicated. It's not something you can just drop in and win. It's a process with it's entire own complications and issues to deal with, and in some cases can even make things worse.

But if they could manage it, I wonder how it would impact all this strain of moving around stats and hp, as more focus would be centered around gearing and ordering thralls, and less about what should be able to hulk smash harder and take more hulk smashes then whatever else. I.E, in soulmask, there is no deviation between player hp and thralls. It all runs on the same system, and it works because thralls aren't just face-hugging ogres that require tons of hp to survive instead of just dodging/blocking and just generally being smart and aware of the combat statuses.
They will never be as potent as players for sure, but you could atleast start to sand down all the dramatic differences in numbers, more towards a centralized norm.

The lack of life in thralls has always hurt CE in so many various ways including these constant balance changes. But seeing what soulmask has done with them just makes it hurt in CE that much more, knowing what it could potentially be, but isn't.