Team Fortress 2

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Mr.Mann 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:24 
THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN OVER 9000 TIMES, BUT I DONT CARE. I CAUSE TROUBLE IN ANY DISCUSSION I GO. SANDVICHES, PEANUT BUTTAH, POOTIS. THIS DISCUSSION IS MINE! SPY IS COW!
AN BIFFED ELF!!!! 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:26 
theres this one famous tf2 player whos a woman and a model i think its some sort of blue anime girl
Knusperfrosch 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:29 
No.

I'm a woman. I'm also a female TF2 player.

Why would I want female character classes? Why would anyone think, "Oh, she's female, so she surely she must want to play a female character, right?" That's stupid and condescending. (Nothing against you, Ruben. I assume you mean well.)

It's the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thinking that permeates the gaming industry and misleads them into classifying games into "games for male gamers" and "games for girls", putting all action/combat games and shooters into the male category, and then filling such games with stuff designed for a target demographic of hypothetical horny 16-year-olds. (Because of another misconception that 40+ year olds don't play video games.) Even games with female protagonists are designed with males in mind. (The older Tomb Raider games come to mind. Portal was an exception.)

I love TF2 for its characters and its gameplay. All other FPS games bore me.

I've seen gender-swapped fan art of TF2 classes and support characters, and fan-made female class models, and most of them are pretty cool (except for the fetish gear fem!Pyro) and well designed. Kudos to the 3-D modellers. It's a boon for SFM artists to use.

But I'm glad Valve made the decision to make a game about a bunch of middle-aged, 40+ (everyone except Scout) and 50+ (Medic) year old, grumpy male mercenaries with receeding hairlines, non-superhero body shapes and (in some cases) questionable sanity, who blow each other up and trashtalk each other on a regular basis while wearing fancy hats. Middle-aged men who smoke and drink, who sweat and bleed together, who laugh and cry and yet have become a kind of disfunctional family.

I don't have hard statistics, but I'd wager a bet that Team Fortress 2 is the online shooter with the highest percentage of female fans.

Why would I want a female class model when I can have that sexy beast of a Heavy Weapons GUY mow down opponents?

Besides, the TF2 universe already has female characters. They're the ones pulling the strings.

The problem with online FPS games and female players is not lack of female characters. It's usually a problem with behaviour of a certain kind of male players who suddenly find that they're playing on the same server as a *gasp* GIRL and feel the need to make sexist remarks.
最後修改者:Knusperfrosch; 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:30
John Doe 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:31 
please... no....
Materia User 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:33 
No.

I'm a woman. I'm also a female TF2 player.

Why would I want female character classes? Why would anyone think, "Oh, she's female, so she surely she must want to play a female character, right?" That's stupid and condescending. (Nothing against you, Ruben. I assume you mean well.)

It's the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thinking that permeates the gaming industry and misleads them into classifying games into "games for male gamers" and "games for girls", putting all action/combat games and shooters into the male category, and then filling such games with stuff designed for a target demographic of hypothetical horny 16-year-olds. (Because of another misconception that 40+ year olds don't play video games.) Even games with female protagonists are designed with males in mind. (The older Tomb Raider games come to mind. Portal was an exception.)

I love TF2 for its characters and its gameplay. All other FPS games bore me.

I've seen gender-swapped fan art of TF2 classes and support characters, and fan-made female class models, and most of them are pretty cool (except for the fetish gear fem!Pyro) and well designed. Kudos to the 3-D modellers. It's a boon for SFM artists to use.

But I'm glad Valve made the decision to make a game about a bunch of middle-aged, 40+ (everyone except Scout) and 50+ (Medic) year old, grumpy male mercenaries with receeding hairlines, non-superhero body shapes and (in some cases) questionable sanity, who blow each other up and trashtalk each other on a regular basis while wearing fancy hats. Middle-aged men who smoke and drink, who sweat and bleed together, who laugh and cry and yet have become a kind of disfunctional family.

I don't have hard statistics, but I'd wager a bet that Team Fortress 2 is the online shooter with the highest percentage of female fans.

Why would I want a female class model when I can have that sexy beast of a Heavy Weapons GUY mow down opponents?

Besides, the TF2 universe already has female characters. They're the ones pulling the strings.

The problem with online FPS games and female players is not lack of female characters. It's usually a problem with behaviour of a certain kind of male players who suddenly find that they're playing on the same server as a *gasp* GIRL and feel the need to make sexist remarks.

but just because you don't want it (female or not) doesn't mean others don't. In fact all those fanmade models/art and the fact that these threads are made all the time show there is quite a high demand for it. You will still have the male models, it's not like were removing them from the game.
Evan 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:40 
引用自 Materia User
but just because you don't want it (female or not) doesn't mean others don't. In fact all those fanmade models/art and the fact that these threads are made all the time show there is quite a high demand for it. You will still have the male models, it's not like were removing them from the game.
Why do you say we're as if you were doing this. Designing all new models to Valve's specifications takes a heck of a long time, as from what I knew, TF2 was in development for like 8+ years. Plus, Valve is probably too busy working on HL3 or something. They're a huge game studio, just because they don't announce games doesn't mean they aren't working on it. According to Valve, not enough players even want new weapons, or else they would be adding more instead of taking community hats and miscs. The amount of people wanting female classes despite them probably being the same as the male variants, and you could just get a reskin, is miniscule next to the amount of people who want weapons.
最後修改者:Evan; 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:40
socialprimate 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:45 
another thousand million threads about this every day
Woobie :3 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:47 
引用自 Ruben Zamudio Rodriguez
there are also women who also play Team Fortress 2
links
Just because women play TF2 does not mean there have to be female characters.

引用自 Materia User
but just because you don't want it (female or not) doesn't mean others don't. In fact all those fanmade models/art and the fact that these threads are made all the time show there is quite a high demand for it. You will still have the male models, it's not like were removing them from the game.
You have female models and mods. I don't understand why you don't use them.
最後修改者:Woobie :3; 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:47
Anon 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:47 
The pics you posted show that you are a troll.
Knusperfrosch 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:51 
Thing about TF2 classes is that they follow stereotypes. For instance, they had the stereotype of a overly-patriotic, gun-loving person and made him soldier. There aren't really any positive or interesting female stereotypes since pretty much all of them are really sexist.

What Evan said.

Also, while the sight of men blowing each other up, I'm not sure a group of all female mercenaries blowing each other up and stabbing and mutilating each other while trashtalking each other works quite the same way. All the tropes are wrong.

If you mixed male and female characters on the battlefield, you'd have male-on-female violence, which is a no-go. (The opposite is usually okay in movies, because of a reverse sexism double standard.)

Also, TF2 is set in a Mad Science 1960/70s universe, not in a Kill Bill or Sucker Punch kind of universe.
Knusperfrosch 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:54 
引用自 Materia User
but just because you don't want it (female or not) doesn't mean others don't. In fact all those fanmade models/art and the fact that these threads are made all the time show there is quite a high demand for it. You will still have the male models, it's not like were removing them from the game.

The original thread creator claimed there should be a female class or female characters specifically BECAUSE female gamers play TF2.

Also, if you had read my postings, you would have noticed I already acknowledged the existance of female reskin models. I'm not against them. They're useful to SFM artists.

But adding female models into actual gameplay has a lot of problems, starting with smaller models having smaller hitboxes and ending with the need for additional voice actors and new pose animation for the female models.
Woobie :3 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:55 
引用自 Globular
You're being ignorant of gender, and being sexist with this thread. How do you know whether the characters have testicles or a uterus?
Well, it's heavily implied. And besides, every class except for the Pyro is referred to as a "he" on the wiki.
If you use that logic (not saying that it's incorrect; it is very correct), pretty much every video game character's gender is ambigious (not many games where a you see a character's sexual organs). You just have to go with the implications (unless it straight up tells you, or you get to pick).
Knusperfrosch 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:56 
引用自 O.R.AstralPro P.I.
The problem is that there are quite a few things in game that are acceptable to male characters but might seem offensive to female classes (eg. Jarate). That combined with the fact that most people who make female skins create them either overtly sexist and sexual or just unrealistic (eg. the heavy is a small child because it's "ironic funny lol") means that female classes aren't on the forseeable horizon.
http://ohsadface.deviantart.com/art/Why-Your-female-TF2-OC-is-dumb-172114173
AstralPro already said what I wanted to say.
最後修改者:Knusperfrosch; 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:57
Jakebob-Smegheneghan 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 5:01 
Basically, the idea I get is that the majority of people are fine with the mercenaries as they are, and the people who want to play as women can get a modelpack downloaded and pretend to play as one.
Woobie :3 2013 年 8 月 12 日 下午 5:03 
Basically, the idea I get is that the majority of people are fine with the mercenaries as they are, and the people who want to play as women can get a modelpack downloaded and pretend to play as one.
I agree with this. No need to change the game if there are already mods for it. Also, mods only affect the user (cosmetically), so that's another bonus; if someone doesn't like the female models, they don't have to look at them. If someone likes the female models, they can pick which female models they like, and have it for themselves. Making a official transition would just be too much work, and spawn too many problems.
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