Spy is the most *pimp* class in the game....

[Force Majeure]

***EDIT*** In Sum: There are too many ways for the spy to be revealed as a spy, the maps are too linear for effective spy movement, and every class can easily counter/kill the spy. ***EDIT*** Read on if interested.


So here goes a long winded rant. Will probably be flamed to oblivion.

The team fortress two spy is without a shadow of a doubt the most gimped class in team fortress two. Every single class can best him without the slightest degree of difficulty and the degree of skill required to play him effectively far surpasses that of every other class in the game.

In order to illustrate how gimped the spy class really is, it is helpful to analyze all of his shortcomings, weakness, and every other classes ability to counter him. For the purposes of clarity and uniformity these will be elaborated upon in bullet format.

I. Weaknesses
A. The spy is entirely too easy to discover
i. Disguises
1) The spy cannot run through enemies while disguised
a) Enemies can simply bump into everyone they see in order to spy check them.
b) It is also far too common for people to accidentally bump into you no matter how good you are at moving around
2) The spy cannot attack without losing his disguise
a) The moment the spy attacks, whether successfully or unsuccessfully, his disguise dissipates instantly
i) This is countered by carrying either the "wanga ♥♥♥♥♥" or "your eternal reward." Equipping either of these, however, removes your ability to disguise at will.
3) It takes a moment for the disguise to actually take effect once applied
a) It takes approximately two full seconds before the disguise is applied
b) During the application of the disguise the spy is surrounded by a large red or blue smoke cloud, corresponding to the team he belongs to
ii. Cloaking
1) It takes approximately two full seconds before the cloak takes effect and conceals the spy from enemy sight.
2) If the spy bumps into an enemy while cloaked he is momentarily revealed as a spy
3) If the spy takes any form of damage while cloaked he is momentarily revealed as a spy
4) The spy cannot attack in any way while fully cloaked
a) The spy must de-cloack before any of his weapons function properly
b) De-cloaking produces a very loud sound, forcing the spy to do so far away from the enemy
5) The cloak last, at most, 14 seconds (if equipped with the L'etranger).
a) 14 seconds may seem like a lot, but it isn't. This forces the spy to take predictable routes that take him to ammos supplies so that he may recharge his cloak as he moves.
b) This can be countered by equipping the "cloak and dagger," but this watch has the shortest duration of all when not standing still.
i) This watch also forces the spy to adopt a very static style of game play, encouraging a player to sit around for long periods and wait for openings.
B. Low health
i. The spy, along with the scout, has the lowest total HP of any class in team fortress two.
1) This means that all classes practically kill him in a single shot, or two shots at most. If the spy is seen or discovered the likelihood of getting away is slight because of this.
C. Running speed
i. The spy does not receive any sort of movement or speed bonus
1) This means that he is just as fast as other light classes (excluding the scout), like the sniper, demo, or pyro.
a) Since the spy's primary means of killing is the backstab this is a huge problem. If the enemy is ahead of you and moving at a constant pace you will not be able to catch them.
D. The linearity of Team Fortress Two's maps
i. Maps in TF2 are very linear. There are only two or three corridors to move around a map, if you're lucky.
1) For all the reasons above, this presents a major problem for a spy who cannot be hit or bumped into without being revealed.
2) For a spy, the seemingly simple act of actually getting behind the enemy can be a chore.

II. Counters
A. The spy is the only class which has weapons and tools specifically designed to thwart him
i. Sniper
1) Razorback: The sniper possesses the "razorback," a makeshift electrical shield worn on the back specifically designed to block a spy's backstab.
a) No other class has a tool specifically designed to stop another class
2) Jerate: Jerate can reveal a cloaked spy for all to see.
a) If a spy is struck with jerate it doesn’t matter whether he is cloaked or cloaks after being soaked, he will be visible to all for the duration of the jerate.
b) Jerate can also be used to spy check by dosing "teammates" with it.
i) This also ffectively prevents the spy from cloaking and running away (see above).
ii. Pyro
1) While, arguably, the pyro isn't specifically meant to counter the spy exclusively, it is inarguable that the pyro is the most effective at doing so.
a) Flamethrower
i) A pyro's flamethrower can reveal a cloaked spy for all to see, setting the spy ablaze.
ii) Due to the spy's low health, a single blast from a pyro's flamethrower can almost kills the spy.
iii) Because the pyro and the spy have the exact same speed, the pyro can easily chase after a spy while spamming his flamethrower. Since the flamethrower covers some fifteen foot cone in front of the pyro escape is very difficult for a spy.
b) Spy Checking
i) Due to the over abundance of ammunition in team fortress two, a pyro can blast away at his leisure to reveal spies. He can blast teammates and thin air alike to his hearts content.
iii. Scout
1) The scout is nearly untouchable by a spy because of the scout's tremendous speed and mobility.
a) See above, the spy is only just as fast as a pyro, demoman, or sniper. It is almost impossible for a spy to catch a moving scout for a backstab.
III. Special Cases
A. The most susceptible classes to the spy are arguably the medic, the soldier, and the heavy. Even so, however, these classes can easily best the spy.
i. Soldier
1) While the soldier sports one of the slowest movement rates in the game, rendering him more venerable to the spy's backstab, he can still kill the spy with a single rocket.
2) Also, soldiers tend to "rocket jump" often, which is a nightmare for a spy attempting a back stab.
a) Rocket jumping also compensates greatly for their slower mobility
ii. Medic
1) The Medic, though not a combat class, moves at the exact same speed as a spy. As discussed above, this makes it problematic to achieve backstabs on medics while they are moving around.
2) Even though the medic is arguably one of the weakest classes offensively, he can still kill a spy with two hits from his melee bone saw.
iii. Heavy
1) Heavy is arguably the easiest target for a spy due to their slow movement rate.
2) However, a heavy is almost always at the front line, supported by a medic and surrounded by team mates.
a) So while it is true that a spy may have the easiest time killing a heavy, it will be very difficult to actually reach a heavy from behind and get away unscathed after doing so.

[LansingWolverine]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por Black Dynamite:

Dude he's pimp

*Hi 5 pose*
SLAP MY HAND

Pimp don't even explain Spy...
He is the HEAD PIMP!

[Cap Cube]

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Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

♥♥♥♥ that lets Pimp Spy some more by giving him a cool car in-game

AWW YEA.

VALVE ADD NAOW!!

[Archimo]

i think soldier is to overpowered to be fun.
heavy way to slow in my opinion
and scout is just squishy and i am not good at move dodgeing random attacks.

[Cap Cube]

Publicado originalmente por LansingWolverine:

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

*Hi 5 pose*
SLAP MY HAND

Pimp don't even explain Spy...
He is the HEAD PIMP!

Chief Pimp in World.
also Boss Pimp

[Archimo]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por Infu:

AWW YEA.

VALVE ADD NAOW!!

add car chase map naow!

[LansingWolverine]

Publicado originalmente por 5.I.V.E Archimo:

Publicado originalmente por LansingWolverine:

Yeah, good point. So how many hours of gameplay do you have? I have 260 or something like that...

total tf2 is 2k hours
i played mostly as spy engineer sniper, then demoman, pyro, medic, and not really likeing heavy soldier or scout.

Really? I have friends that have played the game for a real long time, so they showed me tips when I started playing months ago.

[AN EVIL WITCH NEED TREATS TOO]

Publicado originalmente por 5.I.V.E Archimo:

i think soldier is to overpowered to be fun.
heavy way to slow in my opinion
and scout is just squishy and i am not good at move dodgeing random attacks.

Solly. OP? GTFO.

[Cap Cube]

Publicado originalmente por 5.I.V.E Archimo:

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

VALVE ADD NAOW!!

add car chase map naow!

that would actually be awesome :/

[Cap Cube]

Publicado originalmente por Infu:

Spy. Not Pimp. GTFO.

fix'd

[LansingWolverine]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por Infu:

AWW YEA.

VALVE ADD NAOW!!

Someone give that genius $10,000!

[AN EVIL WITCH NEED TREATS TOO]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por 5.I.V.E Archimo:

add car chase map naow!

that would actually be awesome :/

Frontier final and air ballon race mixed togheter! VLOVO ADD FER END OF LAIN UPDAIT!

[Cap Cube]

Publicado originalmente por LansingWolverine:

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

VALVE ADD NAOW!!

Someone give that genius $10,000!

*looks over shoulder*
Genius?
WHERE!!

[LansingWolverine]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por LansingWolverine:

Pimp don't even explain Spy...
He is the HEAD PIMP!

Chief Pimp in World.
also Boss Pimp

Totally!

[Cap Cube]

Publicado originalmente por Infu:

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

that would actually be awesome :/

Frontier final and air ballon race mixed togheter! VLOVO ADD FER END OF LAIN UPDAIT!

ALSO ADD MOAR PIMP SPY OUTFITS!!

[AN EVIL WITCH NEED TREATS TOO]

Publicado originalmente por biwinning:

Publicado originalmente por Infu:

Frontier final and air ballon race mixed togheter! VLOVO ADD FER END OF LAIN UPDAIT!

ALSO ADD MOAR PIMP SPY OUTFITS!!

GIF SOY INSTAKILL PISTYL PLZ AND DEN AMKE HIM IMMUNE TO ALL DMG! AND GIVE HIM A GOLD CHAIN!