Gray Mann is an idiot

[amberdoor]

Gray Mann is really a pretty stupid person, if you think about it. I mean, his plan to destroy Mann Co. is to send a bunch of robots, but he does SO MUCH wrong. Here are some things he does:
- Sends the same group of robots ALWAYS
- Sends the robots in predictable waves that we apparently already know of
- Always only sends 1 bomb with the robots, even though he obviously has an infinite amount
- Makes the robots run on money (why?)
- Has the ability to make flame-retardant metal for the pyro robots, but doesn't use it for any other type of robot
- If his robots manage to make it to the pit, the round restarts and he attacks again
- Sends giant tanks with no defenses (How about a sentry gun on it? Maybe some defender robots? HOW ABOUT FASTER WHEELS?!?)
Think about how much harder MVM would be if you got 1 try to defend against flame-retardant, randomly-generated robots that each carry a bomb, and don't drop money.

[Bloody_Well_Marvelous]

Well, I can answer the money part pretty easily.....*Have ya seen the cost of oil? Might as well*

There's also a thing called story vs game limitations/segregations. Some things need to be..... Phased out as it were, for one or the other. Imagine how many horror games wouldn't make much sense if in story everyone had infinite ammo, for example. In game you might, but in the story itself, chances are the characters would be scrounging around for the stuff.

Pyro Robots might just be very expensive to make flame retardent, that, or it wouldn't be fair to have it ingame for all robots. Give Pyro a chance to do something.

[ShenanAgain]

Also, why does he model his robots on the people he's trying to destroy? If I was the one making an army of robots, I wouldn't make them clones of my incredibly flawed enemy.

[amberdoor]

Originally posted by ᴾᴾᴹ Da Scoot 8382:

Originally posted by Stuppledup:

Think about how much harder MVM would be if you got 1 try to defend against flame-retardant, randomly-generated robots that each carry a bomb, and don't drop money.

Yeah. But that makes it too hard for people, especially people who are or would be new to the game mode.

Then perhaps this could be made as a boot-camp only mission, like calignous caper.

[amberdoor]

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Also, why does he model his robots on the people he's trying to destroy? If I was the one making an army of robots, I wouldn't make them clones of my incredibly flawed enemy.

Emotional, i'd say. Would you want to shoot your best friends?

[ShenanAgain]

Originally posted by Stuppledup:

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Also, why does he model his robots on the people he's trying to destroy? If I was the one making an army of robots, I wouldn't make them clones of my incredibly flawed enemy.

Emotional, i'd say. Would you want to shoot your best friends?

Considering how they did that on a daily basis, yes.

[Bloody_Well_Marvelous]

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Also, why does he model his robots on the people he's trying to destroy? If I was the one making an army of robots, I wouldn't make them clones of my incredibly flawed enemy.

Think about it. If the mercs are the best in the world, wouldn't it make sense to make them face themselfes? Granted, I think he took too much in terms of personality. *The Scout bots for example seem to show the tack and grace of the original* but from a mental viewpoint, wouldn't you be concerned that there is a whole robot clone version of you trying to take you down?

[Rough]

look at the design of the robots to see more wrong

for example, lets look at the robot spy

it is loud and constantly gives itself away

and if the knife is the only thing it needs (along with disguises and cloak), why does it have 2 arms, a head, and legs? seriously, it could get a lot out of replacing loud legs with a wheel (like the medibot), taking off the head and left arm (just put the eye camera on the chest), and becoming completely silent

[amberdoor]

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Originally posted by Stuppledup:

Emotional, i'd say. Would you want to shoot your best friends?

Considering how they did that on a daily basis, yes.

…I'll be quiet now.

[ShenanAgain]

Originally posted by Bloody_Well_Marvelous:

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Also, why does he model his robots on the people he's trying to destroy? If I was the one making an army of robots, I wouldn't make them clones of my incredibly flawed enemy.

Think about it. If the mercs are the best in the world, wouldn't it make sense to make them face themselfes? Granted, I think he took too much in terms of personality. *The Scout bots for example seem to show the tack and grace of the original* but from a mental viewpoint, wouldn't you be concerned that there is a whole robot clone version of you trying to take you down?

That makes sense to an extent, but he does so little to improve on their methods. With a few exceptions, Gray just copies the weapons and stats of each mercenary. His robots fail to do anything so spectacular as rocket or sticky jumping despite these techniques being crucial to Soldier's and Demo's versatility.

He even mimics their downsides for no apparent reason; what benefit is it for him to make faster Heavy bots that take extra damage anyway? Heck, he can make robots that repair themselves over time. That's pretty outstanding mechanical genius right there! So why don't all his robots share this trait?

I think the fact that Gray's horde of machines couldn't topple nine kooky mercenaries is either a testament to the Team's skill or Gray's incompetence.

[amberdoor]

Originally posted by ShenanAgain:

Originally posted by Bloody_Well_Marvelous:

Think about it. If the mercs are the best in the world, wouldn't it make sense to make them face themselfes? Granted, I think he took too much in terms of personality. *The Scout bots for example seem to show the tack and grace of the original* but from a mental viewpoint, wouldn't you be concerned that there is a whole robot clone version of you trying to take you down?

That makes sense to an extent, but he does so little to improve on their methods. With a few exceptions, Gray just copies the weapons and stats of each mercenary. His robots fail to do anything so spectacular as rocket or sticky jumping despite these techniques being crucial to Soldier's and Demo's versatility.

He even mimics their downsides for no apparent reason; what benefit is it for him to make faster Heavy bots that take extra damage anyway? Heck, he can make robots that repair themselves over time. That's pretty outstanding mechanical genius right there! So why don't all his robots share this trait?

I think the fact that Gray's horde of machines couldn't topple nine kooky mercenaries is either a testament to the Team's skill or Gray's incompetence.

NOT EVEN NINE. Only six mercs can fight at once, which is also pretty stupid. They can only help, right? After all, each merc finds some way to split the money they get without dividing it at all, so it's not like they'd lose out on some cash.

[noname]

Well, he is a Mann brother. The smartest Mann brother, sure, but that isn't saying much.

[Igykyuu]

*hands you the one mvm comic about how soldier knows grey mann's plan every single time*

[Avenrox]

The comics do seem to be slightly different from the game itself. But now I think the bots are much less of a threat than the Gray mercs, and seem to be taking less of a precinence in the story when compared to the Gray mercs. In the new comic *if you've read the comics* the Administrator even tells Pauling to run from the new mercs. Which brings up an even better question: if they're mercenaries who employ themselves to the highest bidder, would it not be easier to simply work for Gray? Aside from the fact that he attempted to kill them, he did stop the useless fighting between Red and Blu. I think the Medic in the comic was rather smart for joining forces with Gray, even though it's most likely that Gray won't win (due to all of the aforementioned shortcomings and flawed plans), because he got to keep his job and not worry about another set of mercs attempting to kill him (at least for a while).

[Joshua Kurayami]

Originally posted by Bloody_Well_Marvelous:

Well, I can answer the money part pretty easily.....*Have ya seen the cost of oil? Might as well*

There's also a thing called story vs game limitations/segregations. Some things need to be..... Phased out as it were, for one or the other. Imagine how many horror games wouldn't make much sense if in story everyone had infinite ammo, for example. In game you might, but in the story itself, chances are the characters would be scrounging around for the stuff.

Pyro Robots might just be very expensive to make flame retardent, that, or it wouldn't be fair to have it ingame for all robots. Give Pyro a chance to do something.

Or gray mann is just wasting the mercs time while he develops better robots.

Inb4 robo-scout bikes with MMPH pyros on top, soldier with deadly sniper aiming skills and rockets as fast as bullets, and a heavy fused with a tank.