"Just join community servers! Valve won't do anything! Just stop!" Suck my tail end. #FixTF2

[GrapeProtogen]

The simple fact of the matter is that if people keep spreading pessimistic responses, Valve's even less likely to do anything, or fix the game you enjoy playing.
Casual mode is an important part of TF2, and just laying down and letting it stay unplayable will destroy accessibility for new players. Community servers will never be your silver bullet, and pretending it is will only kill the game. Mann up and fight for your game, or just go find another one.

[le creep]

bro unless you're bernie madoff nothing you'll do matters, welcome to the real world buddy

[The Gatling Gunner]

Womp

Womp

[my butt is erect]

Wasn't important for the first 8 years of the game lol

[Mcfighter2]

I see you didn’t start playing before July 7th, 2016.
Community servers IS the default way to play the game. It’s how it was since day 1, it’s just that Casual’s convenience has spoiled people’s ability to click a few more buttons than usual to join a server and killed most of the community server’s vanilla playerbase. I’d love to see this effort put into reviving community servers as the default mode of play with new vanilla community’s servers, because do you really think Valve is going to do anything when the first time people were at Valve HQ with potentially hazardous things and all they did was a tweet? They won’t.
I’m not trying to shoot down any means of improving the game, I just think we should rely on ourselves instead of crying towards daddy Gaben to fix it for us.

[UNBREAKABLE]

All of us vets played the game for about 9 years without causal mode existing. We also played third party severs for years before Valve made their own. What makes it so hard for you guys to adapt? Causal mode in every way is a deviation from the game's original design and enabled bots to begin with. Playing causal mode still is like having Stockholm Syndrome except you have ability to flee from your captor.

The true way to fix TF2 is to make better community servers and promote them - not trying to save causal mode. Most if not all flaws with community severs would be fixed if they had the consistent traffic causal mode does. If YouTubers spent all their energy promoting the server browser then we would already have gotten farther than the last movement... but instead it's just children screeching into social media like a cult.

Valve's support for this game is finite while the community can keep it alive however long we want. Why are we not able to see that? Why rely on Valve to half-ass things? If you guys truly want to fix the game then take matters into your own hands instead of talking it up the ass from Valve.

[King of Games]

no

[Sleepy Bear]

Originally posted by UNBREAKABLE:

All of us vets played the game for about 9 years without causal mode existing. We also played third party severs for years before Valve made their own. What makes it so hard for you guys to adapt? Causal mode in every way is a deviation from the game's original design and enabled bots to begin with. Playing causal mode still is like having Stockholm Syndrome except you have ability to flee from your captor.

The true way to fix TF2 is to make better community servers and promote them - not trying to save causal mode. Most if not all flaws with community severs would be fixed if they had the consistent traffic causal mode does. If YouTubers spent all their energy promoting the server browser then we would already have gotten farther than the last movement... but instead it's just children screeching into social media like a cult.

Valve's support for this game is finite while the community can keep it alive however long we want. Why are we not able to see that? Why rely on Valve to half-ass things? If you guys truly want to fix the game then take matters into your own hands instead of talking it up the ass from Valve.

You make some good points, and yes people do often forget about community servers. I will say that community servers can be hard with connections and ping but that's about it. Not a massive problem.

I think why people are so upset that the bots are in casual is it's been going on for 5 years. People are upset that Valve is no longer passionate about this game THEY like. And I like it as well. I made art, I did the hashtag but again this is a COMPANY. And people are missing the point that they want to make a PROFIT. Unless they don't buy anything from valve for.. Weeks. This movement will only get like... A glance.

Not to say people's efforts are pointless and they should be causing a fuss cause Valve has continuously failed the community. The bot problem is just one major aspect of that.

I do agree community servers should be an solution if you're having trouble with matchmaking. Community servers are pulling their weight much more than Casual ever has.
And not to mention there are workshop creators who make fixes and a ton of amazing stuff. Valve could continue to ignore TF2 and rake in cash if they just allowed those fixes in. Who knows. I am not an expert.

Regardless just yelling won't work, you need to promote COMMUNITY and basically boycott Valve which... No one really wants to do.

[ktulu84]

we arent really telling you to stop

we are just telling you to stop mindlessly spamming hashtags and expect things to happen magically and actually put some effort to keeping the game alive

[https://t.ly/Ygmki]

“Suck my tail end” lmao shut up man

[UNBREAKABLE]

Originally posted by Sleepy Bear:

Regardless just yelling won't work, you need to promote COMMUNITY and basically boycott Valve which... No one really wants to do.

That's more or less the point us "doomers" are trying to get across. Maybe not boycotts since it would be difficult to convince the whole world to stop using Steam, but I think the younger generation has to learn how a video game dies the hard way.

Not every game is going to be officially supported by the developers until the end of time, the players have to take it up themselves eventually if they want to keep playing.

[TheNutmegGamer2018]

Originally posted by GrapeProtogen:

The simple fact of the matter is that if people keep spreading pessimistic responses, Valve's even less likely to do anything, or fix the game you enjoy playing.

Were they ever likely to do anything in the first place?

[Yuri Enjoyer Deluxe #YuriTF2]

Nah Id move on

[Xtreme_Shoot]

community servers always best one ever.

[Error]

Originally posted by GrapeProtogen:

Community servers will never be your silver bullet, and pretending it is will only kill the game.

I honestly think the community's stubbornness to stick to bot infested casual and rely on valve to fix the issue where judging from how they've treated this game for the past 7 years seem very unlikely rather than use the tools and clout given to the tf2 community to fix the community server landscape and fill, promote or create vanilla community servers is what's going to kill the game the community is ensuring that bot infested casual is the only way to play vanilla tf2 and that hurts everyone veterans and new players alike.

Originally posted by GrapeProtogen:

Mann up and fight for your game, or just go find another one.

Team Fortress 2 is an irreplaceable timeless masterpiece and one that does not need die with casual so why let it? I will concede this however, in spite of how skeptical I am of #fixtf2 I'll say that it definitely did more than I expected the exposing of the terrible things done by bot hosters is notable and something I encourage. Even if it doesn't fix casual it's still something that should be exposed. The negative reviews of tf2 recently is also noticeable and deserved for the record. If this was any ordinary game developers angry customers review bombing their product would at least get the developers to try more to fix the issues that angered the customers but valve is not an ordinary game development company and can get away with neglecting the game bc they have steam valve could shut down support for all their games and as long as their competent with steam they'll be fine.

Aside from the things I gave #fixtf2 credit for the other things I'm not so confident a petition? Really? literally everything aside from what I gave credit for just seems to be the same thing over again just in a much more aggressive fashion and considering how it worked last time I'm not so confident. So what does the community do when nothing continues to happen what then? Does the tf2 community do the same thing until one day the community just says sayonara it's been a good 17 years? If the greater tf2 community does not want to go on beyond casual and let the game die with casual even though the community has the tools and clout to not have that be the case look I'm just one guy with little to no clout I can't control the will of the greater tf2 community but that would be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid way for the game to die because not only is it avoidable but also because other games like rust had a similar issue but that community was able to take the initiative and has active vanilla community servers where cheaters can be banned by moderators.

[jade]

Originally posted by Error:

Originally posted by GrapeProtogen:

Community servers will never be your silver bullet, and pretending it is will only kill the game.

I honestly think the community's stubbornness to stick to bot infested casual and rely on valve to fix the issue where judging from how they've treated this game for the past 7 years seem very unlikely rather than use the tools and clout given to the tf2 community to fix the community server landscape and fill, promote or create vanilla community servers is what's going to kill the game the community is ensuring that bot infested casual is the only way to play vanilla tf2 and that hurts everyone veterans and new players alike.

Originally posted by GrapeProtogen:

Mann up and fight for your game, or just go find another one.

Team Fortress 2 is an irreplaceable timeless masterpiece and one that does not need die with casual so why let it? I will concede this however, in spite of how skeptical I am of #fixtf2 I'll say that it definitely did more than I expected the exposing of the terrible things done by bot hosters is notable and something I encourage. Even if it doesn't fix casual it's still something that should be exposed. The negative reviews of tf2 recently is also noticeable and deserved for the record. If this was any ordinary game developers angry customers review bombing their product would at least get the developers to try more to fix the issues that angered the customers but valve is not an ordinary game development company and can get away with neglecting the game bc they have steam valve could shut down support for all their games and as long as their competent with steam they'll be fine.

Aside from the things I gave #fixtf2 credit for the other things I'm not so confident a petition? Really? literally everything aside from what I gave credit for just seems to be the same thing over again just in a much more aggressive fashion and considering how it worked last time I'm not so confident. So what does the community do when nothing continues to happen what then? Does the tf2 community do the same thing until one day the community just says sayonara it's been a good 17 years? If the greater tf2 community does not want to go on beyond casual and let the game die with casual even though the community has the tools and clout to not have that be the case look I'm just one guy with little to no clout I can't control the will of the greater tf2 community but that would be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid way for the game to die because not only is it avoidable but also because other games like rust had a similar issue but that community was able to take the initiative and have active vanilla community servers where cheaters can be banned by moderators.

i am not reading all that, here's hoping the bots overwhelm community servers too