Team Fortress 2
mouse acceleration and raw input
I'm just curious, why is acceleration recommended when using raw input?

I understand that some obsolete settings have been kept in i guess for people with... idk trackballs or something like that.

What is the thinking behind this? I'm just curious. I don't have acceleration on or anything cuz i'm not down with the whole move the mouse different every time.

I don't do all that fancy ruler measuring how long it takes to do a 360. I just go "that feels good" lol

EDIT: also mouse filter; why is it an option? again, the thinking behind it?

I wish devs would be like "here are the options and why you might want/not want to use them, designed for this, etc"
Last edited by Yn Crashout; Aug 6, 2014 @ 9:46pm
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quebe Aug 6, 2014 @ 9:50pm 
I dont know why they suggest that. I guess they mean, if you want mouse accel, atleast use raw input, or something like that. Also you dont need a ruler to find out your inches/360. If you know your in-game sensitivity and mouse DPI, you can find out easily.
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Soldier Claus Aug 6, 2014 @ 9:59pm 
You DON'T want acceleration.

If you use raw input with no acceleration, it makes mouse to cursor movement at a constant ratio.
$TSLA seller Aug 6, 2014 @ 10:00pm 
none will reccomend accell under any circumstances unless you're on a trackpad.
Yn Crashout Aug 6, 2014 @ 10:35pm 
lol i just adjust sensitivity as though it were a controller. I've a gaming mouse, but gamespot's intel pc build (they spend like $10 on a mouse and keyboard) has finally caused me to stop overthinking gaming mic eand all that. I'm convinced that I've fallen into a trap with gaming mice. I play most games; or I would if I was on a good enough PC. Action games and the like. Adjustable DPIs and all these profiles and 10 million buttons, i really don't need it. I thought I did. I ddi hav ea deathadder; now I'm using a G100s. But hell, i wasted money. lol they went with a Rosewill mouse. I looked up the company and their products look very simple and they work; with the mous ehe picked, all you could do was adjust sensitivity in game. I'm pretty sure on gamespot now playings and stuff they're just using a regular old mouse that works.
Yn Crashout Aug 6, 2014 @ 10:54pm 
and either it's me or i prefer ambidextrous mice despite being right handed. the g100s is basically a supercharged office mouse in terms of looks. either that or i haven't found an ergonomic mouse that i like (the deathadder was nice), but something about.. maybe the low profile of this mouse, it's like i'm using my hand to aim kind of. so i guess its more of an extension of the hand
$TSLA seller Aug 7, 2014 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by BlackScarab:
lol i just adjust sensitivity as though it were a controller. I've a gaming mouse, but gamespot's intel pc build (they spend like $10 on a mouse and keyboard) has finally caused me to stop overthinking gaming mic eand all that. I'm convinced that I've fallen into a trap with gaming mice. I play most games; or I would if I was on a good enough PC. Action games and the like. Adjustable DPIs and all these profiles and 10 million buttons, i really don't need it. I thought I did. I ddi hav ea deathadder; now I'm using a G100s. But hell, i wasted money. lol they went with a Rosewill mouse. I looked up the company and their products look very simple and they work; with the mous ehe picked, all you could do was adjust sensitivity in game. I'm pretty sure on gamespot now playings and stuff they're just using a regular old mouse that works.

mouse 4+5, good pickup and a comfortable grip are really the only reasons to get a gaming mouse, that being said, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ office mouse WILL break, whereas my zowie has been with me for like 4 years and no troubles.
Ace42 Aug 7, 2014 @ 11:25am 
Raw input just stops the game using the Direct_Input hooks - which theoretically cuts down latency impercetibly, but more important stops shonky effects or implementation getting in the way.

Acceleration is only necessary on low-DPI mice where you need relatively high sensitivity to move it around. It has some circumstantial benefit for RJ flicks, etc - but it's generally best to have it switched off. Due to the way counts and acceleration curves work - the higher the DPI the more janky acceleration is too, which makes it a no-no.
Best to have a registery fix turn it off in windows too.

Filtering is a relic from the days of low-res ball-mice and low-res displays, etc. It should also be off.

DPI works with Sensitivity settings to create the *effective* sensitivity. Generally higher DPI is better - it's better to have your mouse picking up your movements and the game ignoring the unwanted ones due to low in-game sensitivity, than to have your mouse unable to pick up movements and the game only able to use what it is given.

As for setting sensitivity there is a procedure for getting the "right" amount for you.

First - make sure your hardware is optimally configured (highest DPI and polling rate you can attain).

Then spawn into a practice game - ideally picking Scout.

Pick any fixed point at mid-distance (a bullet hole will do fine) and strafe left-and-right trying to keep your mouse on that target. If your sensitivity is too low, your strafing will pull your crosshair off the target faster than your can adjust; if your sensitivity is too high you'll "overshoot" the target by over-correcting for the strafing.

When you've got it absolutely spot-on you know you've got it set "right".

However, sniping requires more subtle movements, so you'll probably want it lower than that when sniping - this is where the DPI buttons on a mouse come in; or you can just use scripting to set the sensitivity separately for class; or for scoped (zoomed_sensitivity ratio X).
Yn Crashout Aug 7, 2014 @ 12:37pm 
um... i just play the game. i really don't notice a difference. lol i used to overthink it.

For me now, the only reason to get a gaming mouse is:

Potentially lasts longer (build quality)
Omron switches (I guess that's a tangible benefit, technically faster reaction time although i'm fast enough on what i have i guess)
The extra buttons (should I feel I need them).

But for now.... lol just play the game :D no neeed for all these calculations. Just feel it out.

I noticed when I stopped thinking and just let my.. instincts if you will guide the mouse just am faster, more accurate. or at least i can adjust my aim quickly. no need to measure how long it takes do to a 360 n do all these perfect sensitivity calculations... just set it to what feels good and just do lol
$TSLA seller Aug 7, 2014 @ 12:50pm 
Originally posted by BlackScarab:
um... i just play the game. i really don't notice a difference. lol i used to overthink it.

For me now, the only reason to get a gaming mouse is:

Potentially lasts longer (build quality)
Omron switches (I guess that's a tangible benefit, technically faster reaction time although i'm fast enough on what i have i guess)
The extra buttons (should I feel I need them).

But for now.... lol just play the game :D no neeed for all these calculations. Just feel it out.

I noticed when I stopped thinking and just let my.. instincts if you will guide the mouse just am faster, more accurate. or at least i can adjust my aim quickly. no need to measure how long it takes do to a 360 n do all these perfect sensitivity calculations... just set it to what feels good and just do lol

it doesn't take much effort to set up your game correctly to give yourself an advantage. things like net settings and more consistant mouse settings aren't ''neccessary", but they help a lot and there's no reason not to use them.
Yn Crashout Aug 7, 2014 @ 1:45pm 
o_O but i think i have an advantage already. the power of the mind is... powerful lol. idk about net settings but i just have accleeration and all that stuff off.

I don't think so much about consistent mouse SETTING, but consistent mouse FEELING. it's basically the same lol. but one isn't measured. you just feel it. Works for me! Obviously you have to do similar settings to get similar feeling but you get the point. it's not so much cerebral as it is natural feeling. since i stopped thinking i'm faster, more on target.

As long as I'm consistent in my aim it's really all the same. I feel so much Zen lol. i would literally watch mouse and keyboard videos over and over and over looking for some kind of validation about mouse settings. then i saw gamespot's video where he went w a 6 dollar mouse and i was like you know what? I don't need all this fancy gaming tech.

A reason I forgot to add is 1000mHz. Idk how much difference it makes. My G100s does 500mHz and i'm getting higher accuracy than i was w the deathadder
Last edited by Yn Crashout; Aug 7, 2014 @ 1:48pm
$TSLA seller Aug 7, 2014 @ 1:59pm 
Originally posted by BlackScarab:
o_O but i think i have an advantage already. the power of the mind is... powerful lol. idk about net settings but i just have accleeration and all that stuff off.

I don't think so much about consistent mouse SETTING, but consistent mouse FEELING. it's basically the same lol. but one isn't measured. you just feel it. Works for me! Obviously you have to do similar settings to get similar feeling but you get the point. it's not so much cerebral as it is natural feeling. since i stopped thinking i'm faster, more on target.

As long as I'm consistent in my aim it's really all the same. I feel so much Zen lol. i would literally watch mouse and keyboard videos over and over and over looking for some kind of validation about mouse settings. then i saw gamespot's video where he went w a 6 dollar mouse and i was like you know what? I don't need all this fancy gaming tech.

A reason I forgot to add is 1000mHz. Idk how much difference it makes. My G100s does 500mHz and i'm getting higher accuracy than i was w the deathadder

you're basically saying that you changed your settings and it feels right, same as everyone else. noone measures out their dpi and sens for any reason other than remembering it and telling people who ask. i know i play on 1150 and 1.8 ingame normally, i don't know my inches/360 or anything, nor would I change my settings if i thought they were 'wrong' due to the numbers.

you're clearly missing the point, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ your game settings makes your game feel nicer and easier to play, that's really all there is to it.
Yn Crashout Aug 7, 2014 @ 3:18pm 
o_O not missing hte point at all i'm just making mine lol
Dwerklesberry Aug 7, 2014 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by BlackScarab:
o_O but i think i have an advantage already. the power of the mind is... powerful lol. idk about net settings but i just have accleeration and all that stuff off.

I don't think so much about consistent mouse SETTING, but consistent mouse FEELING. it's basically the same lol. but one isn't measured. you just feel it. Works for me! Obviously you have to do similar settings to get similar feeling but you get the point. it's not so much cerebral as it is natural feeling. since i stopped thinking i'm faster, more on target.

As long as I'm consistent in my aim it's really all the same. I feel so much Zen lol. i would literally watch mouse and keyboard videos over and over and over looking for some kind of validation about mouse settings. then i saw gamespot's video where he went w a 6 dollar mouse and i was like you know what? I don't need all this fancy gaming tech.

A reason I forgot to add is 1000mHz. Idk how much difference it makes. My G100s does 500mHz and i'm getting higher accuracy than i was w the deathadder

g100 is decent, I doubt a 6 dollar mouse could do 500hz or have a sensor fast enough to handle flick movements without freaking out sometimes.

I do wish there was some standardization of mouse control settings between game engines, its annoying having to fumble around and "get used" to some "close enough" setting in every new games on a differnet engine.

Anyways main advantage of the G series of Logitech, ungimped driver package.
Last edited by Dwerklesberry; Aug 7, 2014 @ 3:35pm
Yn Crashout Aug 7, 2014 @ 3:34pm 
I think you just have to feel it out. i imagine i have different sensitivities for a few games, but they all kind of feel the same. i don't really notice a difference. i feel like any gaps are made up for just by playing the game. practice and such. The PC, like console, takes some practice to get better at. Lol at the end of the day a mouse is more precise than a controller overall. A player w a 5 dollar mouse vs a player w a razer gamepad, player w the $5 mouse wins.
Clear Vision Aug 7, 2014 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by Ace42:
Due to the way counts and acceleration curves work - the higher the DPI the more janky acceleration is too, which makes it a no-no.
Best to have a registery fix turn it off in windows too.
Is that why when I swipe my mouse very quickly across my pad I get negative accel? I'm using my mouse at 2000 dpi at the moment.
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