No phoenix dive/blitz in act 1

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Hey all, I’ve got nearly 500hrs in Dos2, mostly pre- definitive edish.

I thought these skills were availablenin Act I, Cork and some enemies use these, and they aren’t high level spells.

Scoundrel gets backlash and cloak n dag, Huntsman gets retreat, etc.

Why is warfare left out in act 1? Why is Phoenix dive especially restricted when enemies are using it and you can be many levels higher than required for the skill?

[Imyo]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Iry:

They ARE sold in Act 1. At Level 9.

Phoenix Dive, Blitz, Thick of the Fight, etc.

Depends on what you consider act one. Some players won't hit level nine until after the fight with Dallis boarding your ship. This means that those players won't effectively have access to these spells until after act two begins.

You can get the warfare vendor in the ship tho, during all the boat sequence. That is indeed act 1 tho, i also reach lvl 9 just at the end of act 1, i heard that if you slaughter everyone you can reach 9 before alexander, is that right ? Not worth it tho... and not needed for sure, the whole boat fight is over with 2 action points.

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Sorry, I guess I should clarify by Act I i mean pre-departure from Fort Joy. Besides, even if you can acheive lvl 9 by doing every little thing and killing everyone, what would be the point?

My question is this: I can get warp skills from scoundrel and hunstmans immediately. It seems like PD and Blitz are artifically restricted, and my question was why. Is it an admission that Warfare is flat out "better" than the other skills?

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Imyo:

You can get the warfare vendor in the ship tho, during all the boat sequence.

It depends. As I said, some players hit 9 during that fight. After that, there isn't an opportunity to buy skillbooks, and even if there is, there isn't a point. Once you pass out of the hall of echoes, you're officially in act two. It takes full experience farming to get level nine early enough to get these skills in act one and have the chance to use them. Either way, they're effectively still act two skills.

[Imyo]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Imyo:

You can get the warfare vendor in the ship tho, during all the boat sequence.

It depends. As I said, some players hit 9 during that fight. After that, there isn't an opportunity to buy skillbooks, and even if there is, there isn't a point. Once you pass out of the hall of echoes, you're officially in act two. It takes full experience farming to get level nine early enough to get these skills in act one and have the chance to use them. Either way, they're effectively still act two skills.

Absolutely, as i said, you can buy them at the end of act 1, literally the end, and even if you grind exp to reach lvl 9 before Dallis its pointless because that fight is absurdly easy anyways and there are known ways to win it in ultra cheap mode, like just 1 maggots grenade and gg, or defensive skills on Malady, or teleports, etc, Just 4 turns. I dont know if there is a way to reach lvl 9 before the worm tho.

[Roamer.GFX]

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

Right, but my question is why similar/superior abilities are available almost instantly, yet phoenix dive isn’t there until act 2 because... reasons.

at least you could craft it. As i did with Living on the Edge on level 6 or so

[Roamer.GFX]

Originally posted by Imyo:

. I dont know if there is a way to reach lvl 9 before the worm tho.

No way) Even if to kill all people. You can receive level 9 only in harbour fight

[Iry]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Depends on what you consider act one. Some players won't hit level nine until after the fight with Dallis boarding your ship. This means that those players won't effectively have access to these spells until after act two begins.

I consider Fort Joy and the Swamp to be Act 1.

Kalias (lizard in elf cave) and Gareth will both sell Phoenix Dive/Blitz/Thick of the Fight at Level 9. There is enough XP to just barely reach Level 9 before you get on the ship, which means you can buy from all the merchants in Fort Joy.

If you skip things, then yeah. You are probably only level 8 when you get on the ship.

[Iry]

Originally posted by Roamer.GFX:

No way) Even if to kill all people. You can receive level 9 only in harbour fight

Level 9 Before Worm.