No phoenix dive/blitz in act 1

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Hey all, I’ve got nearly 500hrs in Dos2, mostly pre- definitive edish.

I thought these skills were availablenin Act I, Cork and some enemies use these, and they aren’t high level spells.

Scoundrel gets backlash and cloak n dag, Huntsman gets retreat, etc.

Why is warfare left out in act 1? Why is Phoenix dive especially restricted when enemies are using it and you can be many levels higher than required for the skill?

[Chaoslink]

You don’t see it until the level 9 abilities flight should hold you until then. Not all abilities are available just because enemies use them. On tactician, the level 3 shock toad in the elf cave uses superconductor, a level 16 Aero ability.

[Sir Crow]

I asked the same many time to myself but later I accepted this is part of the game and finishing act1 with this is quite fun for warrior. You may use the cat for teleporting as well if you need much.

reason of editing: spell correciton ...

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Right, but my question is why similar/superior abilities are available almost instantly, yet phoenix dive isn’t there until act 2 because... reasons.

[Hobocop]

I think it's because Warfare is super frontloaded as is with Battle Stomp and Battering Ram. Scoundrel and Huntsman are both largely weapon-restricted skill trees with more strict positioning requirements for best effect, and neither of them get CC skills on par with what Warfare gets right out of the gate.

[LinkZeppeloyd]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

I think it's because Warfare is super frontloaded as is with Battle Stomp and Battering Ram. Scoundrel and Huntsman are both largely weapon-restricted skill trees with more strict positioning requirements for best effect, and neither of them get CC skills on par with what Warfare gets right out of the gate.

Hm, I like both cloak and retreat better than dive. Even though warfare is strong it seems weird that dive is not available whereas the other schools do get their warp skill.

[Hobocop]

Why is it weird that the most generally useful skill tree for physical damage dealers with two of the best early game CC skills doesn't get a teleport option at the same time that skill trees with situational/positional bonuses need to be more effective? Cloak & Dagger isn't even that good.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Why is it weird that the most generally useful skill tree for physical damage dealers with two of the best early game CC skills doesn't get a teleport option at the same time that skill trees with situational/positional bonuses need to be more effective? Cloak & Dagger isn't even that good.

Depends how you use it really. I’ll use it very effectively on my rogue while trying to get into a cheeky position after combat is initiated. Popping cloak then cloak and dagger can let you leap across enemy vision without being detected and drawn into combat. It has uses, though tactical retreat is nice to get refunded the AP cost the next turn.

[Edstyles]

Not everything makes sense in this game . Just have to accept it.
Like i wish you could make decent gear with crafting .
I wish there was an armorsmith who could polish your gear so that it matches your levels.
I wish the gear wasnt so random.
Etc xD ...But it is what it is.

Also you get global cooling rather late. Same with siphon poison and others . That are not nessesarily powerfull at all . I would love to see a change to make the game more flexible in this regard. So im with you, but i doubt devs will make any changes any more towards balancing

[Imyo]

Vendors sell spells per level it was allways that way unless you use mods, what you can do is be an RNG god and be lucky as ♥♥♥♥, this way you can get higher level skill drops, i just had teleport at lvl 2 in my current playthrough, that was broken af.

[Chaoslink]

In rare cases, it is possible to get the materials needed to craft scrolls early. Most of the time the higher tier resources to do so unlock at the same time as the related skillbook, but I've gained access to some things before the game intended this way. If you're lucky, you can even get a blank skillbook to make the scroll more permanent.

[LinkZeppeloyd]

But Phoenix isn’t a “higher tier spell” is it? You only need lvl 3 warfare to use it.

[Imyo]

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

But Phoenix isn’t a “higher tier spell” is it? You only need lvl 3 warfare to use it.

Yeah, but its in vendors when you hit lvl 9

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by LinkZeppeloyd:

But Phoenix isn’t a “higher tier spell” is it? You only need lvl 3 warfare to use it.

It is technically a third tier, so... it kinda is. Comparatively to the similar self-teleports anyway.

[Iry]

They ARE sold in Act 1. At Level 9.

Phoenix Dive, Blitz, Thick of the Fight, etc.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Iry:

They ARE sold in Act 1. At Level 9.

Phoenix Dive, Blitz, Thick of the Fight, etc.

Depends on what you consider act one. Some players won't hit level nine until after the fight with Dallis boarding your ship. This means that those players won't effectively have access to these spells until after act two begins.