How is the ending make you feel??

[Shiori_Ai]

that's kind of a ending i did not expected, is it good or bad? i need more explaination XD

[Simon]

The part where Velvet and Innominat being sealed doesn't make much sense, but I think it is alright. The overall ending about Phi is to link up certain stuffs with Zestiria.
Anything you need explanations? I've played both Berseria and Zestiria.

[Shiori_Ai]

Originally posted by Simon:

The part where Velvet and Innominat being sealed doesn't make much sense, but I think it is alright. The overall ending about Phi is to link up certain stuffs with Zestiria.
Anything you need explanations? I've played both Berseria and Zestiria.

i feel like why Phi doesnt want to break the seal on Velvet and Laphi? now he is the empyrean so there is no need for them to be in that state?

[Simon]

I'm not sure why. But I think he wants to respect Velvet's decision, so he didn't break the seal.

[Tiasmoon]

As Simon said, its mostly to tie up the games ending to Zestiria. What happens in Zestiria would otherwise need to have Velvet in it to.

It's possible that theyll use her in a future game as well, but thats pure speculation at this point.

[Brother PaciFist]

I am like you and were bewildered by the ending, but after long and hard thinking i can respect it.

The moment he releases the seal Innominat is back in all his glory. Phi would loose his Empyrean position, the cycle of suppression would start again.

The last words of Velvet were somewhat like. Why do birds fly. Because they want to. That is her decision, she wants to. She said she has dug her own grave. etc. Phi respects her decision. He would not be able to save her i think. Silver flame can not heal the heart. She is spiritually heavily injured and needs a long time to heal. Perhaps in the future when Phi has successfully prepared a perfect world without malevolence, he will awake them. Without malevolence Inno/Laphi could not suppress the world and the cycle would end.

Edit: The end credits shows what happens in the dream Velvet and Laphi have. It seems they are happy. It would be cruel to wake them.

A sequel with Velvet would be nice.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

I loved the story of that game so much and the ending was the only thing i hated

[Asuryan]

The ending was kind of a letdown. I expected something more for Artorius, who is the most tragic and complicated character in Berseria. The last exchange of words with Velvet felt weak.
But I think the best point of the final is given during the ending titles. The images of the "alternate happy reality" (it should be what Velvet and Laphi are dreaming in their perpetual seal) for Velvet and his family is truly heartbreaking.

[Brother PaciFist]

Originally posted by Bremen:

The ending was kind of a letdown. I expected something more for Artorius, who is the most tragic and complicated character in Berseria. The last exchange of words with Velvet felt weak.
But I think the best point of the final is given during the ending titles. The images of the "alternate happy reality" (it should be what Velvet and Laphi are dreaming in their perpetual seal) for Velvet and his family is truly heartbreaking.

It is a happy dream, why should this be heartbreaking?

'Of cause it is happening only in your head, Harry, but why on earth should this mean it is not real.' Albus Dumbledore. Harry and the deadly Harrows.

Sorey was sealed away in Zestiria too, but he came back. The ending of Tales of Berseria is more open then anything. The story could go on, the story could end, but the happy dream Velvet and her Brother Laphicet have will never end. It is the most happy end you could imagine. They can not die, they can make everyting they dream of reality. It is like being the God of your own universe.

Have fun.

[Asuryan]

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

'Of cause it is happening only in your head, Harry, but why on earth should this mean it is not real.' Albus Dumbledore. Harry and the deadly Harrows.

Sorey was sealed away in Zestiria too, but he came back. The ending of Tales of Berseria is more open then anything. The story could go on, the story could end, but the happy dream Velvet and her Brother Laphicet have will never end. It is the most happy end you could imagine. They can not die, they can make everyting they dream of reality. It is like being the God of your own universe.

Have fun.

It is heartbreaking beacause they haven't had the chance to live it. It is the alternate story of their life where all of them were happy. Dreaming about it gives them only the shadow of this possible storyline, a tiny fragment of the full joy of truly living that experience. And Celica and Artorius won't even be allowed do so.

[Brother PaciFist]

Originally posted by Bremen:

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

'Of cause it is happening only in your head, Harry, but why on earth should this mean it is not real.' Albus Dumbledore. Harry and the deadly Harrows.

Sorey was sealed away in Zestiria too, but he came back. The ending of Tales of Berseria is more open then anything. The story could go on, the story could end, but the happy dream Velvet and her Brother Laphicet have will never end. It is the most happy end you could imagine. They can not die, they can make everyting they dream of reality. It is like being the God of your own universe.

Have fun.

It is heartbreaking beacause they haven't had the chance to live it. It is the alternate story of their life where all of them were happy. Dreaming about it gives them only the shadow of this possible storyline, a tiny fragment of the full joy of truly living that experience. And Celica and Artorius won't even be allowed do so.

Celica and Arthur are part of the dream. Even Magilou is inside the dream.

Did you ever had a nightmare? Did it feel real? Everything you see, taste, feel, breath sense with your skin, warmth, cold, anxiety, happiness, sadness, all feeling are just an interpretation of your brain. You could say our whole life is but a dream.

You see, there are new science like quantum mechanics. They are like hey everything we know is build upon very small particles. Nothing is real. Only our brains perceif our enviroment as stable and real. Without our role as spectators the universe would not even exist. that is a little metaphysician. When you translate that concept on the dream Velvet and Laphi are having:

Everything they dream of is very real to them. Even the persons they dream of. A dream of everlasting happiness. No pain, no suffering, no aging, no death, adventure, happiness. This is how Paradise is spelled.

Have fun.

[Asuryan]

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

Celica and Arthur are part of the dream. Even Magilou is inside the dream.

But they are not dreaming. Artorius and Celica are dead, Magilou is living her life. If someone dreams about you, you don't experience that dream. So, Celica and Artorius will never experience what they could have, in an alternative reality.

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

Did you ever had a nightmare? Did it feel real? Everything you see, taste, feel, breath sense with your skin, warmth, cold, anxiety, happiness, sadness, all feeling are just an interpretation of your brain. You could say our whole life is but a dream.

My dreams are a far cry from real experiences. And my imagination has never reached the beatuy of real landscapes I have seen in different part of the world, so I cannot imagine Laphicet having the same joy dreaming about journeys that he could have instead lived in first person. Maybe is just me, it is not mandatory that the feeling I get from the ending must be the same you get. Evidently you assign to dreaming a much more powerful meaning that I do. And I am fine with it :)

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

You see, there are new science like quantum mechanics. They are like hey everything we know is build upon very small particles. Nothing is real. Only our brains perceif our enviroment as stable and real. Without our role as spectators the universe would not even exist. that is a little metaphysician. When you translate that concept on the dream Velvet and Laphi are having:

Wait, quantum mechanics does not tell you that "nothing is real" or that without observer the universe would not exists. It says conversely that without an observation the wavefunction describing the universe (or a smaller system) won't collapse in one of the eigenbasis of the observable and will instead remain in a superposition of states.
What you are talking about is a rather fameous philosophical question, condesed in "If a tree falls but no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?"
Everything very interesting, but I won't go to dig into this matter here, this is an unresolved dispute. And also too far away from the topic we are discussing.

[Brother PaciFist]

@Bremen

You say your experiences of dreaming are far from real. Okay. Do you know the term lucid dreaming? There are people that can dream very real and experience what they want in dreaming. In our world. Those kind of people exist.

Do you know Bhudda? He escaped to a kind of eternal dreamstate called Nirvana. Only a sidenote :). He was no god but a normal person.

Velvet and Laphi are dreaming. Now they are not anyone. They are part of Innominat, a powerful Lord of the Malakhim, God figure with creation powers in the World of Wasteland. Your and my dreams are less powerful. But how real must the dream of a god feel.

Your understanding of quantum mechanics is quite interesting. You are right. I did only take that as a proof why dreaming can be real. I did not expect to discuss about quantum mechanics and i do not have the background to even do it. Thanks for the answer.

This is only a kind of brainstoming no real hard proof or anything. I am okay if you say the ending is bittersweet or hardbreaking. Only to explain why i think it is a very happy ending in my book.

Have a nice day.

[Blackguard]

Seeing as how it means Berseria is finished, feelsbadman

Seeing as it how it means Zestiria begins, alsofeelsbadman

[Albino Cropduster]

[Rant Warning]

Old topic, but just spent sixty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ two hours to finish the game. Never played any of the others and after this heartbreak, I don't think I will.

Screw the science or other "but they're happy!" sort of stuff. Throughout the ENTIRE game, the players develop quite an extensive relationship with the cast of characters. Their goals, motives, past and what-not. The attachment gets to be quite deep such so that the writers a job well enough that you're left guessing what the next move is gonna be throughout the story. But this fades during the end and it isn't a feel-good fade. The words don't hit as hard, the contradictions start to appear and it feels sloppy. Less closure on the story and more of the well-we'll-need-to-make-a-sequel syndrome. It really ruined the story for myself.

That one thing that really gets me is when Velvet is pretty much living the dream in Aball after returning after those three years until she sees through it. She goes on to express no reflection from that part to the ending, where apparently it's all A-OK with her. Another thing that I must express is the sudden change of heart Velvet has. What the ♥♥♥♥. She goes from trying to absolutely murder Innominat to accepting him as her brother despite all the manipulation he put her through. Let's not stop there, if Laphicet is now an Empyrean (which someone described as simply being a really strong Malak) and Empyreans gather strength through prayers... why the hell is he unable to do anything yet at the same time, is able to spread his silver flame around the world? Once again, it sounds like lazy writing. To the point it felt like (dare I go this far) the campaign from Call of Duty Ghosts.

(Note: I understand that people believe Laphicet left Velvet and Innominat in that loop because he respected her choice. This, once again, doesn't make that much sense as Laphicet was trying his damned hardest to be by Velvet's side in the end. The cast's constant talks about how Laphicet must make the choices for himself further back this up as an awkward moment. Velvet quite literally told him what to do, thus violating his creed which he seemed adamant with.)

The ending took all of what I enjoyed in the 62 hours of that one play-through, twisting it into confusion and utter disappointment. Had there been proper closure instead of this status-quo, it'd be the top of my favorite games. Nonetheless, it's still up there.

[Leon Con Licencia de Conducir]

Originally posted by Simon:

The part where Velvet and Innominat being sealed doesn't make much sense, but I think it is alright. The overall ending about Phi is to link up certain stuffs with Zestiria.
Anything you need explanations? I've played both Berseria and Zestiria.

actually it does make sense velvet eats melvolence she is a therion the top of all daemons which means she is part of the inominant.her hand side only.when she was being bit by laphicet so he will devour her,she eat part of him too so no one dies.and they end up in a circle of eating each other without any of them dying,or being able to move.so basically they sealed each other since it's a routine they wont leave.