New faction the French Foreign Legion

[Casual Killroy]

I think it would be cool to add in the FFL or just a french faction because that's how the conflict in Vietnam all started in the first place. It would also allow for cool customization options as well as new weapons like the MAS-38 as well as more use for french weapons already in the game. Their are plenty of maps that could be made for the faction to like the battle of Dien Bien Phu, and one of their special abilities could be para-drop which could act like ambush does for the NLF. As for their inclusion in campaign mode that's where it gets tricky since I believe the french left Indochina before the start date and the map is focused on the south Vietnam area, but I was thinking they could be an early war nation that then becomes locked when the campaign reaches mid war. As for vehicles the french could have a licensed H-34 seahorse helicopter with a door gun and/or a Bell H-13 Sioux helicopter.
I heard they are thinking of adding in the ROK (Korean) faction into the game. I think this is a bad idea because it will basically be a copy paste of the ARVN faction with american guns, they should work on a french faction instead because there are a lot more unique things that could be added.

PS: I posted this on the tripwire forum but Im reposting it here so it gets more exposure.

[Tracy]

>the rok are a bad idea
>but adding the french foreign legion, who left vietnam in 1954, are a good idea

Nope.

[Big Duke]

lol

read some history kid

[IRDCAM]

The First Indochina War 46-54 would be a great addition to the RO series. French/American WW2 weapons with the French, and Soviet WW2 weapons for the Viet Mihn. Was a pretty nasty affair as both sides were not too lenient on anyone not supporting their side, French were not as bad as Viet Mihn. General Giap got his start and reputation in that war, and in 'We were Soldier's' the initial scene of the ambush pretty much sums up the was for the French.

There were French enclave communities in Vietnam well into the 70's as those who prefered to stay in the South did after the First War. They had their private security forces (the war vets) and just lived away from the new fray. For some reason the VC and NVA left them alone as they were no threat. Several large rubber plantations in SVN were still French owned and the stay behind French lived at and managed them.

Most of the food in Vietnam in the 60's and 70's was a French/Vietnamese combo in the major villes, rural no where was still vietnamese.

[Big Duke]

"Hell in a very small place" - awesome book about Dien Bien Phu

[FlashBurn]

1952 is not 1968.... With that said, seems like a great mod or something. To be fair, could have been plopped into this game around year 12-18 months after release and maybe gotten somewhere. Alas, its clear the devs moved on and have been in pre production for that 83 thing for some time. Just doing small maintenance stuff. I mean that's legit, but sad face =( I guess they did add kanagroo land and arvn.

[Vasily Chuikov]

Hey bro, that’s a different war.

That’s like saying you should add the Soviet Union to a game about the current war in Afghanistan.

[Tracy]

I'm just rubbing it in at this point, but at least ROK Army were in South Vietnam.

dab

[Casual Killroy]

Originally posted by Tracy:

I'm just rubbing it in at this point, but at least ROK Army were in South Vietnam.

dab

Did I hit a nerve or something? Either way my point still stands adding in the ROK would be redundant.

dab ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Casual Killroy:

Did I hit a nerve or something? Either way my point still stands adding in the ROK would be redundant.

dab ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

The consensus on your FFL faction is still a no, so hardly.

[Wotek]

As a french, i would lie if i said i would hate a french faction addition in the game. However, this is not the kind of thing i would really ask for, nor something i would honestly praise, beside maybe spamming "FR" on the map where french would be played.

RS2 is Vietnam war, not Indochina war. French weren't military involved after 54, the game is set in the 60, it would take away a big chunk of the immersion.

If there was french in RS2, i think it should be for something like an event, a mod, or a tiny extention on the side, not something like the aussie or the ARVN.

Honestly, right now, the most important faction to had would be the korean... not the french.

[Casual Killroy]

Originally posted by Wotek:

As a french, i would lie if i said i would hate a french faction addition in the game. However, this is not the kind of thing i would really ask for, nor something i would honestly praise, beside maybe spamming "FR" on the map where french would be played.

RS2 is Vietnam war, not Indochina war. French weren't military involved after 54, the game is set in the 60, it would take away a big chunk of the immersion.

If there was french in RS2, i think it should be for something like an event, a mod, or a tiny extention on the side, not something like the aussie or the ARVN.

Honestly, right now, the most important faction to had would be the korean... not the french.

I honestly wanna know why the ROK would be important/add anything new to the game. if anything their just as pointless, I know they contributed more troops to the war than Australia did but in terms of the actual game they would just be a copy paste of the ARVN faction, also adding in the french would hurt the "immersion" less than the player base already does (not saying that thats a bad thing) but its already hard to be immersed when you have guys running at you with pic axes screaming stuff in english among the countless other things the player base does that could be considered immersion breaking.

[Tracy]

Originally posted by Casual Killroy:

I honestly wanna know why the ROK would be important/add anything new to the game. if anything their just as pointless, I know they contributed more troops to the war than Australia did but in terms of the actual game they would just be a copy paste of the ARVN faction

It's not about their weapons, it's about them being the second largest foreign force in South Vietnam. Historical significance. Not saying they wouldn't have a unique weapon or several in the mix. Although, that "add nuffin new" mentality is prominent with a lot of players and the devs who sway from "historical accuracy" and "gameplay" quite often. Still, diversity is a good thing. Even if the ROK were to be added as a purchasable reskin, revoice, and extension to the ARVN faction, I know of quite a few people who would pay for that, myself included.

Originally posted by Casual Killroy:

also adding in the french would hurt the "immersion" less than the player base already does (not saying that thats a bad thing) but its already hard to be immersed when you have guys running at you with pic axes screaming stuff in english among the countless other things the player base does that could be considered immersion breaking.

So, because we can run around with pickaxes and VC/PAVN insult U.S. soldiers in English (unless you're talking about proximity chat, in which is just stupid), that somehow is about as, if not more, immersion breaking then "let's add a faction that wasn't in Vietnam at the time but were there for one time!"? Okay, by that logic, let's add Ancient Chinese armies to the mix. They were there and were more determined about suppressing the Vietnamese than the U.S. or French.

Come on, the Pickaxes were there for a gameplay difference that sets them apart from the southern factions. Along with the whopping two English voice taunts the PAVN & VC have being just that: taunts. It's a re-occuring theme in that some soldiers will learn how to insult their enemies with their own language. And if that breaks your immersion so much that adding the French Foreign Legion as a faction to a war they weren't even involved in makes more sense, then you're wrong.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

In the early 1950s the war was entirely different. The Viet Minh were an entirely different faction. Prominent Viet Minh officers became senior officials in both the north and south Vietnamese governments after the first indochina war. Even some NVA and ARVN generals were originally soldiers in the Viet Minh.

RS2 takes place 11 years after the first indochina war ended at the earliest. With most of the battles depicted in the game having happened 15 years after the end.

It is an entirely different war. M16s and AKs weren't a thing. Both sides were predominately equipped with bolt actions, using SMGs and with magazine fed LMGs. The French were equipped with MAS-36s, some MAS-49s, MAT-49s, FM-24/29s as well as some German left overs and American carbines and SMGs. The Viet Minh were equipped with anything they could get from the Chinese and later some soviet arms packages. Though at the start of the conflict they barely had any weapons. The American OSS had given them M1911s, carbines and thompsons. Along with a number of civilian rifles also given to them by the OSS.They had managed to scrounge Japanese and British weapons from WW2. They also locally produced weapons. Tens of thousands of Sten Gun style SMGs and later on they were making PPSH copies. They made a host of rifles based on the Chinese type 24, Japanese type 38/99 and even French MAS-36. Chambered in a range of calibres. They were even making their own bazooka's Recoiless rifles and mortars. Though these technically were easier to produce (they're mostly just tubes).

Either way. It would be a very different war with very different weapons on both sides.

[Wotek]

Originally posted by Casual Killroy:

I honestly wanna know why the ROK would be important/add anything new to the game. if anything their just as pointless, I know they contributed more troops to the war than Australia did but in terms of the actual game they would just be a copy paste of the ARVN faction, also adding in the french would hurt the "immersion" less than the player base already does (not saying that thats a bad thing) but its already hard to be immersed when you have guys running at you with pic axes screaming stuff in english among the countless other things the player base does that could be considered immersion breaking.

There is already very similar faction in the game, like the USMC/US Army. Adding one other wouldn't really be a problem... it's more a flavor addition at that point.

Adding the french would really hurt the immersion. People can suspend their disbelief over peope ramboing around, or vietnamese farmer taunting GI in english. This is stuff that are to be met when you play a game: people goofing around. This is immersion breaking, but it's very light and it doesn't change the fact we're playing a vietnam war game.
If you add the french, you add a faction that wasn't in vietnam war and the damage to the immersion are bigger than any goofy player with a pick killstreak bonner. It's like if you could play a WW2 british SAS in RS2, it wouldn't make any sense.

The idea of a Indochina war game is seducing, like Lemonater showed us, there is a big room for a very intersting gameplay... however, this is not RS2 vietnam's job to portray that war.

[Big Duke]

ROK troops IMO deserve their place in the game