Static M2 Browning 50. Cal for the Americans

[Vasily Chuikov]

The Commies get the DShK, so where's our M2? Let's stick it in a bunker on a FSB overlooking a valley. Get some.

[FlashBurn]

Clearly watching that video you can see the barrel walking up and rounds being dispersed all over the place vertically. I can't do the math of what 1 -2 inches of barrel climb does to the POI of rounds, but I know from experience that free handing a .50 that doing an 8 round burst at 400-500 rounds by the last couple shots the rounds are 3/4 to one full standing human higher that point of aim from round 1. Why you usually aim a tad low and the gun will walk the rounds up. This is assuming an experience .50 gunner that knows all the tricks.

[Vasily Chuikov]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย FlashBurn:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vasily Chuikov:

“You are not supposed to target infantry with heavy MG’s”.

Hmm, is that right man?
I guess all of the M2s being used in defensive positions in Vietnam were there to fight off all of those NVA armour and air attacks that were so common.
And they must have been used at outposts in Afghanistan as a means to fend off those infamous Taliban APCs.

Must be why they were mounted on all M113s in Vietnam because the M113 was always engaging enemy air units.


Its primary use is anti infantry. Period. Yes, generally it’s deployed to be used at longer ranges than LMG’s, but saying you’re not supposed to use an M2 Browning to target infantry is absolutely ridiculous. It has pretty much only been used in that role for the past 70+ years. I mean the tripods for these weapons simply aren’t designed to aim upwards. Of course it could damage aircraft, but it is not an AA weapon and never was.

And since we’re talking about its use in Vietnam, it was EXCLUSIVELY an anti infantry weapon.
Your reply seems to suggest you think I’m saying these were taken out into the field? Of course they weren’t, of course an M60 is going to be used against infantry instead of an M2 Browning in combat.

However at a PRE BUILT FIREBASE, M2 Brownings were set up all around the perimeter in bunkers and on tripods for use against enemy infantry. The same thing happens today. That’s what I’m suggesting we have in game.

I'm an Iraq vet. The .50's where for stopping vehicles. US military policy based on I beleave the Haque convention (do not quote me on that) is to not purposly target infantry with the Ma duece. Clearly that does not happen and if your taking fire your shooting back, end of story. I was also an M2HB gunner. This was my baby.... But for anti infantry use, I would take an M240 any day of the week. Machine guns are not only point weapons but area denial weapons. Past a certain distance its all about using an MG's beaten zone to harass and deny the enemy area to move about unharrassed. That is you are litterly shooting and lobbing in rounds over a vary large area. They are coming in at an acute angle. You are not targeting indivuals because for one, at like 1400 meters it is vary hard to spot someone that does not want to be seen. But you can just shoot up the area for a massed target to brake up a formation or whatever. This how you can use an MG to shoot BEHIND small rises and hills.

Cobs and Fobs have M2's at their entry control points to STOP any lite vehicle for any reason. No truck bombs engine block can survive that. This use falls in line with offical policy of the US DOD. Like I was told to aim at engine blocks and not drivers. The running joke was off a moving vehicle aiming at an engine block alone wa snot gonna happen. Even if that was your aim by the 5 or 6 round the recoil is gonna bring up the barrel to windshield height. And the one time I actually came close to shooting someone with my .50 all that went out the window and put that gun the guys chest. He crashed his truck shortly after and I thank gawd, did not have to shoot him. That guy was in under 1 second of getting splattered. I am not a wikipedia ninja.......

Crap even in Basic they touched on what you could and could not purposly aim a .50 at. The aim for their belt buckle joke as that is military equipment and not personal. Of course, try to not shoot back at someone shooting at you just cause what your manning... but intent to lawyers has I guess, some merit on the international law stage. Not my department... And I dont know what guys where doing in NAM with this junk. But I am sure .50's where on entry points as that prevents vehicles crashing threw them vary easy. That was learned the hard way...

Iraq and Afghanistan are completely different combat situations.
The M2s at outposts in Afghanistan are for engaging infantry. End of story. Let's use the outposts in the Korengal valley for example, there was no vehicle threat there whatsoever, however every outpost had at least one M2 in it for engaging enemy infantry.
Same with the M2s at FSBs, SF Camps, outposts etc. in Vietnam. There were no enemy vehicles to engage in Vietnam and Vietnam is the war we're talking about here.
You can't even argue against this, man.

Of course you'd take an M240, nobody is talking about carrying around a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ M2 here, we're talking about a static position on a hilltop.

The Commies have their DShK, the Americans should get an M2, at least at C on An Lao and at D on Song Be.

[Big Duke]

no one is using the DShK on any Hue position for shooting aircraft. i've never seen it.

the fixed mount MGs provide another layer of immersion. having a Browning M2 ( or two) on the US/Aussie/ARVN defense maps wouldnt be a game breaker, just like Cu Chi or Hue.

[Vasily Chuikov]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย X-BigDukeSix:

no one is using the DShK on any Hue position for shooting aircraft. i've never seen it.

the fixed mount MGs provide another layer of immersion. having a Browning M2 ( or two) on the US/Aussie/ARVN defense maps wouldnt be a game breaker, just like Cu Chi or Hue.

Thank ya, Duke

[Knobi Kenobi]

in the roadmap they had placeable machine guns when they come out the M2 should be avalable as well

[Frenchy56]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Rootin Tootin Putin:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tigr:

in the roadmap they had placeable machine guns when they come out the M2 should be avalable as well

Not happening. It has too much recoil for infantry!

"placeable" as in an MG and a tripod you walk around with?

[Vasily Chuikov]

Didn't even realise this had been added to game lmao

[IRDCAM]

The .50 BMG is internationally designated a 'destructive' cartridge so the M2 series Heavy Machinegun is NOT to be used against personnel, so they say. Now that AK in the open anti material use kinda fits the 'rules' too bad for the guy holding it though. As well as the belt buckle joke.

The M2HB was a defensive perimeter weapon and was under the direct fire control of the command and control TOC's . You could not willy nilly fire them at personnel regardless of movie portrayal, it happened of course, but explinations were required. The API/Ball mix was totally effective against any NVA/VC vehicle of the American era, even the PT-76, would of been interesting to see an ADA application in the era.

I loved firing the Ma Duece in the day, watching the old target APC hulks fall apart as the rounds tore through them on the ranges in Germany.

For those that remmember the days,,,we were taught to aim low and 'walk' the rounds up and through the target by recoil or T&E mech. No one I know can free fire a M2 accurately on a tripod as the recoil bounce can and does lift the sandbagged piled on legs tripod with 5-9 round bursts.