"Jungle style" Multiple taped magazines.

[Justicier10-7]

Taping two or three magazines together is something that I have seen alot in Vietnam photos. Many are of LRRP who had alot of leeway in doing things their own way in order to get the job done, but I have seen examples of frontline troops taping their mags together in order to get a faster initial reload. I am uncertain if taped mags would fit in the issued mag pouches of the war, but even if for just the first reload it would be a rather nice feature in future expansions to RS2:V.

https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/m16a1-jungle-style.jpg
http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/NorthWall/files/carrywounded.jpg

Heck, even a greasegun (Photo from WW2):
http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/m3-eurpoe-jungle-style-1775.jpg

Just for the lulz a modern example of how it CAN get out of hand...
http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/jungle-mags-to-the-extreme-1768-full.jpg

[YVAN EHT NIOJ]

Now tell me how you able to use those when prone? But something like this for AK can be good https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-02/1455718711_ak-izolenta-1.jpg

[Justicier10-7]

Using the greasegun while prone would be frustrating if not futile. Those mags stick down a crazy amount the way he has those taped up in the WW2 photo. However, I am primarily thinking of the M16 since many seem frustrated with the low magazine capacity. 20 round M16 mags taped together is actually incredibly easy to manage as it barely sticks down any more than a 30 round "banana" mag.

For reference, here is my XM177 with side-by-side comparison of 20 round, multi-taped 20 round, and a 30 round magazine:
http://i.imgur.com/8gNPUk7.jpg

Not remotely unmanageable when prone.

[Big Duke]

there's a reason everyone didnt do it in real life. it can be awkward to manipulate and when going prone in a hurry the bottom mag could be damaged or get debris in it causing a malfunction when reloading. A bent or damaged feed lip on a magazine spells instant trouble.

and really, would you want every single player having taped magazines? the game and its untaped magazines is fine as is

[Justicier10-7]

How is it difficult to manipulate? I have never had any problems and I am not a trained soldier. Debris ingress into the second magazine can be an issue but the fact stands that "jungle magging" was utilized fairly regularly since high-cap magazines for the M16 were incredibly rare in Vietnam and 20 rounds were deemed to be too few by many servicemen. In fact some felt outgunned if they went up against an AK and deemed the possible ingress of debris into the exposed magazine(s) an acceptable risk in order to "level the playing field." Since it seems so many players in RS2 are complaining about the M16 having only 18 shots to a mag in-game, I am providing another option for them which would enable a slight increase in volume of fire. This would be a very valid option, much moreso than the 30 round magazines that were in the initial beta. For balancing, having taped mags could come at the price of less overall ammunition just like the AK with its magazines which are carrying 12 extra rounds per magazine over the M16.

Personally, I would stick with non-taped 18 rounders since I am nearly always at medium range and on semi-auto. I am, however, of the opinion that more options to suit different playstyles is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when they are reasonable.

[Big Duke]

Publicado originalmente por Justicier:

How is it difficult to manipulate? I have never had any problems and I am not a trained soldier. Debris ingress into the second magazine can be an issue but the fact stands that "jungle magging" was utilized fairly regularly since high-cap magazines for the M16 were incredibly rare in Vietnam and 20 rounds were deemed to be too few by many servicemen. In fact some felt outgunned if they went up against an AK and deemed the possible ingress of debris into the exposed magazine(s) an acceptable risk in order to "level the playing field." Since it seems so many players in RS2 are complaining about the M16 having only 18 shots to a mag in-game, I am providing another option for them which would enable a slight increase in volume of fire. This would be a very valid option, much moreso than the 30 round magazines that were in the initial beta. For balancing, having taped mags could come at the price of less overall ammunition just like the AK with its magazines which are carrying 12 extra rounds per magazine over the M16.

Personally, I would stick with non-taped 18 rounders since I am nearly always at medium range and on semi-auto. I am, however, of the opinion that more options to suit different playstyles is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when they are reasonable.

ok youre right. maybe everyone back then was just plain stupid.

your idea should be standard and everyone should have two three or six magazines taped together.

[Justicier10-7]

You are deflecting and insinuating things that I never said. Having two mags taped together is perfectly reasonable. Are you being defensive based upon the modern picture of a soldier clearly just goofing off? Do you really think he's going to go into combat with no less than 17 mags taped together? There is a limit to what is feasible, I do not think it is feasible to have much more than two taped together due to added bulk.

[Big Duke]

take your XM177 mag, with rounds loaded, scoop up some dirt / mud with the exposed rounds and feed lips and go shoot.

if it was such a good idea, everyone wouldve done it and would still do it to this day.

in your house they work great. try crawling thru mud, dirt, having the exposed magazine bang into things thru hard use. The most vulnerable part of a magazine is its feed lips. The last thing you want to do with an AR, M16 or your "XM177
is get debris of any kind into the chamber. The best way to do that is to couple magazines with the bottom one exposed like that. But hey... you seem to be an expert.

[MiscOne]

As a EX Soldier....i wouldnt tape my magazines until iam awaiting CQC...its heavy to wear them, after some Hours through the Jungle you feel the weights in youre hands. So this Pictures are perhaps Stationary Soldiers in a Base or Special Forces trying to kill evrything with pure firepower. The Time "save" you gain from Taped magazins is worthless in the woods...field.

[Big Duke]

Publicado originalmente por MiscOne:

As a EX Soldier....i wouldnt tape my magazines until iam awaiting CQC...its heavy to wear them, after some Hours through the Jungle you feel the weights in youre hands. So this Pictures are perhaps Stationary Soldiers in a Base or Special Forces trying to kill evrything with pure firepower. The Time "save" you gain from Taped magazins is worthless in the woods...field.

I didnt want to go that route. I tried them once when i was in and hated it. I was trying to make sense to this dude.

[MiscOne]

Publicado originalmente por X-BigDukeSix:

Publicado originalmente por MiscOne:

As a EX Soldier....i wouldnt tape my magazines until iam awaiting CQC...its heavy to wear them, after some Hours through the Jungle you feel the weights in youre hands. So this Pictures are perhaps Stationary Soldiers in a Base or Special Forces trying to kill evrything with pure firepower. The Time "save" you gain from Taped magazins is worthless in the woods...field.

I didnt want to go that route. I tried them once when i was in and hated it. I was trying to make sense to this dude.

You tried them in the Army? Iam sure with those Magzine Clip Holders right?

[Big Duke]

Publicado originalmente por MiscOne:

Publicado originalmente por X-BigDukeSix:

I didnt want to go that route. I tried them once when i was in and hated it. I was trying to make sense to this dude.

You tried them in the Army? Iam sure with those Magzine Clip Holders right?

no those werent invented when i was in in the 80s. I used 100 mile an hour tape. thinking as this guy, it would double my ammo on the weapon , make for easy reloads and hey, Elias did it right? wrong.

[Justicier10-7]

So, what you're saying is, the soldiers who actually did do this in Vietnam... even on patrols... because they had no better option provided by their branch of service were stupid for doing it? There are now many modern conveniences available that make mag taping a thing of the past. (Even though magazine clamping is still occasionally used more for CQC than anything else.) In the timeframe we're talking about things were a bit different... and desperate.

And editing your original post to provide more information as to the risks for debris ingress and bent feed lips is valid and a welcome addition, though the initial hostility could have been avoided as it honestly seemed as though you were simply one of those types who didn't like hearing a differing viewpoint.

[MiscOne]

Publicado originalmente por X-BigDukeSix:

Publicado originalmente por MiscOne:

You tried them in the Army? Iam sure with those Magzine Clip Holders right?

no those werent invented when i was in in the 80s. I used 100 mile an hour tape. thinking as this guy, it would double my ammo on the weapon , make for easy reloads and hey, Elias did it right? wrong.

Yeah there is no need for Tapped Magazines ins most Situations as in RL its Round by Round firing. And you have plenty of Ammo in youre backpack. You are not alone, you are with a group of 5 or more people close together. So you have time to reload, you never Enter a House alone...and if you out of ammo youre second man will lead so you can reload.

[Big Duke]

Publicado originalmente por MiscOne:

Publicado originalmente por X-BigDukeSix:

no those werent invented when i was in in the 80s. I used 100 mile an hour tape. thinking as this guy, it would double my ammo on the weapon , make for easy reloads and hey, Elias did it right? wrong.

Yeah there is no need for Tapped Magazines ins most Situations as in RL its Round by Round firing. And you have plenty of Ammo in youre backpack. You are not alone, you are with a group of 5 or more people close together. So you have time to reload, you never Enter a House alone...and if you out of ammo youre second man will lead so you can reload.

please stop using rational explanation.

taped mags are cool bro lol

[MiscOne]

Publicado originalmente por Justicier:

So, what you're saying is, the soldiers who actually did do this in Vietnam... even on patrols... because they had no better option provided by their branch of service were stupid for doing it? There are now many modern conveniences available that make mag taping a thing of the past. (Even though magazine clamping is still occasionally used more for CQC than anything else.) In the timeframe we're talking about things were a bit different... and desperate.

And editing your original post to provide more information as to the risks for debris ingress and bent feed lips is valid and a welcome addition, though the initial hostility could have been avoided as it honestly seemed as though you were simply one of those types who didn't like hearing a differing viewpoint.

How often is the question? Then try it yourself, how much time do you gain while switching. And then where do you put those Tapped Magazines? You dont drop the Mag in RL.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vietnam-Era-M-16-Ammo-Pouch-Canvas-Used-Good-Condition-/272582321033?hash=item3f772c2389:g:YIUAAOSw4CFYwFT7

There isnt enough place for 2 mags as they designes to hold 1

http://david.brubakers.us/Vietnam/pictures/Rifle1.jpg