SKS with PSO

[RonieTheKhan]

Greetings devs! My uncle was in army during 1978 until 1980 he served in Murmansk. And he tells me that he had the SKS rifles in navy. He was in a guard who protecting the navy base. About SKS, the main question is, will be there SKS with PSO scope? Because when he serving he tells me about this awesome rifle what shooting easy on the one kilometer. And also they could put pso on it, i know there will be SKS but will u allow put PSO scope on it. And they had a device what gives u count the wind speed and direction

[Kayatoshi]

A sks with pu mounted scope seems more likely

[Kayatoshi]

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[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Dunno if the soviets would have given the NVA their latest and most advanced scope at the time. It also had a battery for the light and infrared detector. Plus it was more of a long range scope. Where mid range scopes were better in the combat distances seen in Vietnam.

[RonieTheKhan]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Dunno if the soviets would have given the NVA their latest and most advanced scope at the time. It also had a battery for the light and infrared detector. Plus it was more of a long range scope. Where mid range scopes were better in the combat distances seen in Vietnam.

But they gave svd with pso. And its included.

[North_Dumpling]

I thought people usually served in Severomorsk, not Murmansk, moreover Severomorsk have an entry restriction, closed city type where entry allowed by a pass.

[RonieTheKhan]

Originally posted by North_Dumpling:

I thought people usually served in Severomorsk, not Murmansk, moreover Severomorsk have an entry restriction, closed city type where entry allowed by a pass.

Nope, he served exactly in Murmansk.

[RetroActive]

I very highy doubt that PSO scopes were attached to SKS rifes during the Vietnam War, and such a customized rifle would be a sharp shooter's worst nightmare, when considering the efficient range of the SKS rifle being less than 500 meters. Your uncle must be referring to the Dragunov sniper rifle.

[RonieTheKhan]

Originally posted by Praying Mantis:

I very highy doubt that PSO scopes were attached to SKS rifes during the Vietnam War, and such a customized rifle would be a sharp shooter's worst nightmare, when considering the efficient range of the SKS rifle being less than 500 meters. Your uncle must be referring to the Dragunov sniper rifle.

In 1978 when he served during USSR, the army gave sks only to guards who protecting restricted zones they are not giving them ak or svd ffs. They had in one squad a machine gunner who had a RPK it is like ak machine gun with caliber 7.62 it is very long ak with bipod. My uncle shooted a lot of times on the shooting ranges during the training. And if u would know that the sight giving u opportunity to shoot on the one kilometer and what is actually is and u can shoot on 1 km, probably u would not say this joke about less 500 meters. He hitted targets easily on 300 meters with iron sight, without problems. And also u could put pso on it and they giving u instructions for it with device what counting wind velocity. In the instructions explaining how to shoot while storm with pso and other weather conditions, what soldiers are learning while serving. It is not ak or something this thing gave u opportunity to shoot very accurate. Thats why i asked about sks with pso, if in game pso is included with svd. Then it might be possible to be with sks how it was in the real life.

[RetroActive]

Attaching a scope

Originally posted by Resistant Ö_ö:

Originally posted by Praying Mantis:

I very highy doubt that PSO scopes were attached to SKS rifes during the Vietnam War, and such a customized rifle would be a sharp shooter's worst nightmare, when considering the efficient range of the SKS rifle being less than 500 meters. Your uncle must be referring to the Dragunov sniper rifle.

In 1978 when he served during USSR, the army gave sks only to guards who protecting restricted zones they are not giving them ak or svd ffs. They had in one squad a machine gunner who had a RPK it is like ak machine gun with caliber 7.62 it is very long ak with bipod. My uncle shooted a lot of times on the shooting ranges during the training. And if u would know that the sight giving u opportunity to shoot on the one kilometer and what is actually is and u can shoot on 1 km, probably u would not say this joke about less 500 meters. He hitted targets easily on 300 meters with iron sight, without problems. And also u could put pso on it and they giving u instructions for it with device what counting wind velocity. In the instructions explaining how to shoot while storm with pso and other weather conditions, what soldiers are learning while serving. It is not ak or something this thing gave u opportunity to shoot very accurate. Thats why i asked about sks with pso, if in game pso is included with svd. Then it might be possible to be with sks how it was in the real life.

Attaching a scope on a rifle does not magically change that rifle's effective firing range.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Praying Mantis:

Attaching a scope

Originally posted by Resistant Ö_ö:

In 1978 when he served during USSR, the army gave sks only to guards who protecting restricted zones they are not giving them ak or svd ffs. They had in one squad a machine gunner who had a RPK it is like ak machine gun with caliber 7.62 it is very long ak with bipod. My uncle shooted a lot of times on the shooting ranges during the training. And if u would know that the sight giving u opportunity to shoot on the one kilometer and what is actually is and u can shoot on 1 km, probably u would not say this joke about less 500 meters. He hitted targets easily on 300 meters with iron sight, without problems. And also u could put pso on it and they giving u instructions for it with device what counting wind velocity. In the instructions explaining how to shoot while storm with pso and other weather conditions, what soldiers are learning while serving. It is not ak or something this thing gave u opportunity to shoot very accurate. Thats why i asked about sks with pso, if in game pso is included with svd. Then it might be possible to be with sks how it was in the real life.

Attaching a scope on a rifle does not magically change that rifle's effective firing range.

It does. Thats why its called the "effective" firing range.

Not the maximum firing range. That's something different and scopes don't change that.

The Effective firing range is the range where you can hit targets easily. A scope drastically increases that.

[Jagdwyre]

Originally posted by Praying Mantis:

Attaching a scope

Originally posted by Resistant Ö_ö:

In 1978 when he served during USSR, the army gave sks only to guards who protecting restricted zones they are not giving them ak or svd ffs. They had in one squad a machine gunner who had a RPK it is like ak machine gun with caliber 7.62 it is very long ak with bipod. My uncle shooted a lot of times on the shooting ranges during the training. And if u would know that the sight giving u opportunity to shoot on the one kilometer and what is actually is and u can shoot on 1 km, probably u would not say this joke about less 500 meters. He hitted targets easily on 300 meters with iron sight, without problems. And also u could put pso on it and they giving u instructions for it with device what counting wind velocity. In the instructions explaining how to shoot while storm with pso and other weather conditions, what soldiers are learning while serving. It is not ak or something this thing gave u opportunity to shoot very accurate. Thats why i asked about sks with pso, if in game pso is included with svd. Then it might be possible to be with sks how it was in the real life.

Attaching a scope on a rifle does not magically change that rifle's effective firing range.

An SKS could reach out and touch someone to about 700 meters, that's where you start reaching the very limits of the cartridge, generally speaking. Beyond that, the accuracy of the round doesn't lend itself to hitting man sized targets with any amount of decent consistency.

And it's a hell of a lot easier to see a man sized target at 700 meters with a scope than it is with iron sights, let alone attempt to make accurate hits. Especially with something that isn't very flat shooting, like 7.62x39 which was never designed to engage targets out that far to begin with(meaning you take all the help you can get).

Historically speaking, I don't think many SKS's were ever built with side rails attached to begin with. I'd guess that's something that was added on later to some of them to extend their service lives, but I could be wrong.

[Atomicdeath]

Why are people arguing with this guy? If anyone can use an SKS to hit targets at or beyond 500m, it is a Russian. Also, a Scope on anything above a 5.56 does really help. The 5.56 is just too small to be deadly at longer ranges, a 7.62 anything going down range is easily deadly up to and well beyond 500m depending on shot placment.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Atomicdeath:

Why are people arguing with this guy? If anyone can use an SKS to hit targets at or beyond 500m, it is a Russian. Also, a Scope on anything above a 5.56 does really help. The 5.56 is just too small to be deadly at longer ranges, a 7.62 anything going down range is easily deadly up to and well beyond 500m depending on shot placment.

Well there is 77 Grain 5.56 which has a better ballistic coeffecient and of course is heavier than the standard 5.56. Increasing its stopping power a bit and penatration slightly. As well as drastically increasing its effectiveness at range. However I only know of one nation who has standardised 77 grain 5.56. Since it was originally a sporting round.

Plus a lot of Western nations are simply implementing full sized 7.62 NATO these days on the fireteam level. DMRs and LMGs.

The SKS at range also wasn't terribly great. 7.62x39 also suffers pretty early. Not as badly as 5.56 but good luck stopping anything at over 500m. Not to mention it looses speed and accuracy faster at range.

[FlashBurn]

There is no reason you could not lobe in rounds of 7.62 X 39mm at 1000 meters. But its now an area effect weapon. POint targets would be incredible stupid luck. Does a PSO even allow elevation changes to like 20 degees above bore? Then again, I have seen some insane things with folks firing pistols at insane ranges. And actually connecting with things. Once it gets there 7 seconds later after firing. Anything is possible. But that does not mean its practical. With 7.62 X 39mm 400 to 500 meters is against a point target some degree of success if the shooter is good is about what you can expect. But it does not mean that some crazy good shot with a tuned rifle in that caliber could not hit farther. Its just way harder to do so.

And after recent conflicts 7.62 X 51mm rifle in a squad is not a bad idea to cover that dead zone 5.56 sucks at. The Russians have been doing that with the SVD for the past 4 decades in 7.62 X 54mm.

And dont go crazy about the 77 grain rounds in 5.56. Against a guy with no body armor it will work fine. But its going to be even worse than a 62 grain M855 or older 55 grain M193 in close range against modern ceramic or harden steel body armor plates. Speed kills armor more than anything else. Which is why a 124 grain 9mm round will not go threw kelvar. But a simular sized +p 125 grain .357 magnum vary well might. Or for that matter a 55 grain all copper 9mm round will too. Let alone real armor like sapi plates. Another thought on armor VS bullets. At 300 meters back there in the 80's an m193 round could not even punch threw a warsaw style steel pot. Although at like 50 meters could at times get threw light armor on armored cars. Its that speed kills again. At 3300 FPS that round is smoking close in. But looses velocity vary fast as it lacks mass. A strange situation where a larger round like 7.62 nato ball ammo could not get threw 9mm hardened armor plate on light armored vehicles but the much smaller and "less" powerful 55 grain ball vary well might close in. The extra 700 feet per second was what was doing it. OK that was random....

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Well I was talking about 77 grain Mk262 round being fired from a 16 inch MARS-L rifle which is around 2700fp/s. Your M4 with your standard issue US stuff is 2900fp/s. Ain't too much of a difference there.


Also Rather a lot of nations have a DMR at the fireteam level.