Are they ever going to fix NVA uniforms?

[Colonel Taff]

The tan and brown uniform's are entirely inaccurate, the NVA uniforms were green.

[Rei]

The PAVN used tan. The green uniforms were passed on because the devs thought it would cause teamkill issues since the South Vietnamese forces also use green uniforms.

[Colonel Taff]

I guess team kill is a legitimate reason.

[Mara Jadewind]

I like the green uniform of NVA from GOM mods especially at brown hill side maps...heck even in green lush forest area....we can see and kill them like bright light neon green light safety vest.

[Glam Stachee☆]

The green uniform was actually used later in the war. At the start in the 60s they did use tan uniforms, but they still use the wrong color in the game. The real tan uniforms were much lighter, pretty much like the default pith helmet is.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Yeah they used tan uniforms up until 1966 before various shades of green dominated the scene. Even the VC got some green NVA uniforms if they were particularly well supplied.

GOMs green uses a particular shade that's very different from the US green. It's also a tad obvious looking. But that type of green helps with differentiating. When most greens the NVA had and especially the final and most common version was far more similar to the US olive drab than what GOM uses.


AMG tested out green vs green back in RS1 with the Japanese SNLF vs Marines. The results were catastrophic. Rampant teamkilling. We don't see similar things in GOM.

[Bluecher Forward]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Yeah they used tan uniforms up until 1966 before various shades of green dominated the scene. Even the VC got some green NVA uniforms if they were particularly well supplied.

GOMs green uses a particular shade that's very different from the US green. It's also a tad obvious looking. But that type of green helps with differentiating. When most greens the NVA had and especially the final and most common version was far more similar to the US olive drab than what GOM uses.


AMG tested out green vs green back in RS1 with the Japanese SNLF vs Marines. The results were catastrophic. Rampant teamkilling. We don't see similar things in GOM.

Since Viet Cong all infiltrated from the North or were stay-behinds from Viet Minh days, not surprised they had similar uniforms. The whole VC - NVA thing with VC supposedly local revolutionaries was nothing more than contrived communist propaganda, pushed on younger generations heart and sole by the socialist reeducation experiment of our current environment.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Bluecher Forward:

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Yeah they used tan uniforms up until 1966 before various shades of green dominated the scene. Even the VC got some green NVA uniforms if they were particularly well supplied.

GOMs green uses a particular shade that's very different from the US green. It's also a tad obvious looking. But that type of green helps with differentiating. When most greens the NVA had and especially the final and most common version was far more similar to the US olive drab than what GOM uses.


AMG tested out green vs green back in RS1 with the Japanese SNLF vs Marines. The results were catastrophic. Rampant teamkilling. We don't see similar things in GOM.

Since Viet Cong all infiltrated from the North or were stay-behinds from Viet Minh days, not surprised they had similar uniforms. The whole VC - NVA thing with VC supposedly local revolutionaries was nothing more than contrived communist propaganda, pushed on younger generations heart and sole by the socialist reeducation experiment of our current environment.

Actually most US documentation describes them as such. Rather than any propaganda lol.

There were just some very well supplied VC out there. But they were still in the minority. Most were literally the black pyjama stereotype. Descriptions of them either stated they had no coherent uniform or they had a clothing convention. Dark clothing and certain coloured scarfs were often what they wore.

For example the battle of long tan. They were described as having green uniforms. They were initially classified as NVA until they found out what particular VC unit had engaged them.

Most VC were still however organised on battalions. Nothing larger for the most part. The north were trying to utilize them as a standing army. Which was a mistake really. They performed much better as an insurgency. As the Tet offensive showed using them as a proper army didn't work. Sure there was some Viet Minh veterans as well. But the ARVN also had many ex Viet Minh as well. As keep in mind the Viet Minh was "supposed" to just be the local Vietnamese movement against the French. It was just taken over by communists. Even Ho Chi Minh himself was more a nationalist than he was a communist.

[Walter White]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Originally posted by Bluecher Forward:

Since Viet Cong all infiltrated from the North or were stay-behinds from Viet Minh days, not surprised they had similar uniforms. The whole VC - NVA thing with VC supposedly local revolutionaries was nothing more than contrived communist propaganda, pushed on younger generations heart and sole by the socialist reeducation experiment of our current environment.

Actually most US documentation describes them as such. Rather than any propaganda lol.

There were just some very well supplied VC out there. But they were still in the minority. Most were literally the black pyjama stereotype. Descriptions of them either stated they had no coherent uniform or they had a clothing convention. Dark clothing and certain coloured scarfs were often what they wore.

For example the battle of long tan. They were described as having green uniforms. They were initially classified as NVA until they found out what particular VC unit had engaged them.

Most VC were still however organised on battalions. Nothing larger for the most part. The north were trying to utilize them as a standing army. Which was a mistake really. They performed much better as an insurgency. As the Tet offensive showed using them as a proper army didn't work. Sure there was some Viet Minh veterans as well. But the ARVN also had many ex Viet Minh as well. As keep in mind the Viet Minh was "supposed" to just be the local Vietnamese movement against the French. It was just taken over by communists. Even Ho Chi Minh himself was more a nationalist than he was a communist.

IRL some of the VC were "main force" VC who were well equipped and trained less experienced, part time insurgents. The VC that are stereotyped with black pjs and are represented in game are mostly volunteers or irregulars.

As said above, the GOM mod does it well so that teamkilling is not really an issue. As a mid ground for immersion, there could be only a few northerners with green uniforms durign the early war. Make it a special role in the NLF similar to the elite rifleman of ro2 with ak47s early war and green fatigues. PAVN would get all green as soon as mid war hits.

[Luke]

To me the solution isn't to just design uniforms so that people won't teamkill, if people teamkill you eventually kick them, if they cant bother to properly ID their targets its their own fault.

The only way to fairly deal with teamkills is direct intervention by admins if the forgive system ain't enough.

In RO2 I never had problems differentiating the teams because of their sprint cycle, outline, clothing, colour, team chatter, map checking etc.

I also don't really understand the issue with having North forces wearing green on the field since we already have cosmetic DLC which adds green uniforms to the NVA, just in a light camo pattern smock.

[Blackbeard]

Originally posted by Luke:

To me the solution isn't to just design uniforms so that people won't teamkill, if people teamkill you eventually kick them, if they cant bother to properly ID their targets its their own fault.

The only way to fairly deal with teamkills is direct intervention by admins if the forgive system ain't enough.

In RO2 I never had problems differentiating the teams because of their sprint cycle, outline, clothing, colour, team chatter, map checking etc.

I also don't really understand the issue with having North forces wearing green on the field since we already have cosmetic DLC which adds green uniforms to the NVA, just in a light camo pattern smock.

will clearly help if 1/4t to 1/3 h of the team teamkills while playing the PAVN. But not with the VC etc.

[Luke]

If 1/4 to 1/3 of the team is teamkilling they're horribly unqualified to even participate in the battle until they've got either experience or training to help them recognize targets.

In RO2 the game was a lot murkier, darker and washed out which lead to most teamkills occuring on fleeting, shadowed sillhouettes and the like, in this game TKs I believe are mostly caused by the paranoia of southern troops because they're constantly being flanked/surrounded/infiltrated by the NVA and NLF.

[BoonReal]

Maybe they could use the same shade of green from one of the smock patterns, but solid with no camo pattern. The GOM mod had green uniforms for NVA and in my experience, I didn't see much of a problem with tking. The devs are overthinking it, it's not like we're neanderthals lol

[Rei]

Originally posted by BoonReal:

Maybe they could use the same shade of green from one of the smock patterns, but solid with no camo pattern. The GOM mod had green uniforms for NVA and in my experience, I didn't see much of a problem with tking. The devs are overthinking it, it's not like we're neanderthals lol

Well I think one of the things that makes them distinct in GOM is the bushes. If they got a bush, they're an NVA. The uniform is also a rather bright green, where the US uses a darker shade of green.

[Rаndo]

It's basically a theme now that all southern side forces have "greenish" colors as uniforms in game so changing that would sky rocket the amount of teamkills on both sides.

[The Last Monke]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

The PAVN used tan. The green uniforms were passed on because the devs thought it would cause teamkill issues since the South Vietnamese forces also use green uniforms.

No, they used green unfiorms, dude. And who cares about the PAVN having green uniforms leading to more teamkills because people can always forgive and it would make the game more balanced in thick jungle maps.