BAR is the worst weapon in the game, why does it exist?

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

BIG EDIT:
everyone gave very good reasons why all the other weapons in my OP are good so i deleted them from the discussion.
im still unconvinced about the BAR at all, in all my game time i have never been let down by a gun more times than this "lmg"

BAR - by the the worst weapon in the game. the recoil on this thing is higher than all other LMG's when they are fired from the shoulder, hell even the M1 garand and L1A1 rifles have less recoil. so even firing this piece of junk in semi-auto mode is pointless.
south LMG class always has a better alternative - M60 and Browning 30 cal. MG
and north sapper class in campeign is much better off getting the MP40 or PPSH41 as an alternative.

also:
Scoped Mosin Nagant - why use a bolt-action sniper rifle if you can choose semi automatic sniper rifles?

[sigma sam]

BAR is supposed to be the offensive alternative for both sides,while still retaining killpower and suppression

M1 Carbine is pretty damn good if you master it + it has the lowest recoil out of all the rifles among with a bunch of ammo, + is easy to use in close quarters

Grease gun is supposed to be the same as m1 carbine but fully automatic,along with having a retractable stock- Its basically a .45 mp40 in this game

Scoped mosin nagant has a 100% 1 shot kill to the torso at any range I believe,while SVD doesnt and can sometimes take two
Mosin also has a somewhat easier to use scope,atleast when you enable it in settings

[Imposter]

I think the general synopsis of the choices for the game is this: For some groups, modern weapons were difficult to come by. Vietnam wasn't known for their "industrial nature", they got, what they got, and made-do.

Over time: Each Army slowly advanced their weaponry. It kinda does that here, some servers may vary.

BAR was an item carried over from WW2 by Vietnam, it's an item that was affordable to them.

M1Carbine was ergonomic for Armored divisions, it wasn't phased out(yet) either

M3A1 was cheaper to produce than the Thompson, some units had still not phased them out.

Again, it's what was issued and used during that time.

The game just gives you a choice on which "historical" item you want to use. Why complain about the option, at least we aren't subjected to just "The good guns"? You aren't the only one to complain about weapons back in Vietnam.
Many veterans complained about A LOOT of weapons.

Im surprised the AR-15/M-16's don't jam (it would be intersting to fiddle with a jammed weapon in the game XD)

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

Ok fine points were made. Having more options is always more fun.

but I still want to talk about the BAR its probably the real subconscious reason I made this thread.

The BAR is such an atrocious weapon its so bad it hurts. It so good in rs1 so why did they have to change it at all.
Now its completely unusable without mounting the tripod even though its the main reason the weapon was created.
It cant even be used as a semi auto rifke because the recoil is so absurd to the point that even battle rifles like garand and mas are easier to control.

And when its mounted it still has recoil similar to the ak47 and a pathetic 20 round magazine which is useless for suppression

[Professor T-Bag]

I wouldnt call the BAR useless, any gun that can reliably one shot enemies is good in my book. It's like a budget battle rifle, having high recoil and crazy ADS sway is pretty bad, but when the bipod is deployed and you are in a good defensive position then the gun becomes a great marksman rifle.

The m1 carbine is an excellent choice if you are US and want to be steathy because most of the enemy will be listening for an m16 or m60, so they wont pay attention to the sound of an m1/m2 carbine.

[sigma sam]

Bar,as i said earlier,is basically an offensive use machinegun for ARVN and NLF

Its supposed to be used as a battle rifle with extreme suppression,but while still being able to move around comfortably enough to not be too slow like with a RPD or .30 cal machine gun

As T-bag said,it is literally a battle rifle in this game given to machinegunners. I think NLF sapper(not sure) gets this too,and its supposed to be used like that too; Portable and offensive suppression device

[Imposter]

I think the BAR is more of a ‘technical’ weapon. It’s used in a squad for supporting fire; Suppression in mind. You should have a teammate to help spot.

The gunner needs to have the best setup with cover and or concealment, and a nice overwatch position.

Not recommended for initial room clearing, upon entry,(which you shouldn’t still anyway, as it is open bolt), or playing alone with it, without coordination.

That is, if your teammates are attuned to your position, for example: friends who play as a team, communicate, and push during the “supression” at an opportune time. 2x2 bounding advancement(s). The gunner should be used as a tag along. Killing things is just a bonus. Draw aggro.

So pretty much what was said above me.

[flat]

Forgotten Weapons - FN D BAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YfOPrE3u0

[U.t.e.k]

It's not the weapon that is bad, it's you...(sorry)

agree with you on the sniper Mosin Nagant, but other weapons are really good.

[sigma sam]

Had a 49 kill match with the BAR on Hue city as NLF a few hours ago

The key to it is to keep surprising your enemy; he gets suppressed by any shot you miss,and usually one or two get him killed

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

The recoil on the BAR is fine. It’s the sway that’s high. Not to mention bullets now come out the physical barrel itself rather than the middle of the screen with a spread modifier. Every single weapon in this game has less recoil than their RO2/RS1 counterparts. It’s the aforementioned feature that makes everything feel different. Set the thing to slow fire mode and you can full auto at long range ADS.

And calling the M1919 good. What? Anything the north has is better than that. The NLF can even use it themselves. You don’t see anyone doing so however for a good reason.

The M1 carbine I don’t think has the M2 as an option in the same class. It’s something many people pick over the the SKS due to the fact you can fire it faster, it’s got 15 rounds and reloads significantly faster. Not to mention the lower recoil and faster ADS compared to the SKS. You close range is your think you will pick the carbine over the SKS.

The M3 bad? No. Just no. The thing 1 shots people. Fold the stock and boom. You have the best CQB weapon IK the game. You can out ADS anyone and kill them in a single shot.

[Glam Stachee☆]

None of those weapons are bad lmao.

I prefer the BAR as early war ARVN because once you mount it it's ridiculously accurate and I can hit people 100-200 m away with no issue, the M1919 has the fire rate and belt but it's basically useless anywhere past 50 meters. Though I never use it as the NLF since the DP-27 is way better and as a sapper I have the PPSH anyway.

The M1 is a fantastic gun, it has basically no recoil at all, and it's the best gun for the NLF rifleman in close quarters until you get the AK. The Mosin....just no, and the SKS is amazing at range, but the length, 10 round clip and slow reload make it not ideal once the enemy gets near you, the MAS-49 is a similar story.

Grease Gun is also amazing, because it's more of a rifle than an SMG with it's super low recoil and rate of fire.

And I agree with the Mosin, I guess okay if you don't have any other choice but it's still miles better than the unscoped Mosin.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

ok so a lot of good things have been said about all the other waepons in my OP so im now convinced they have their uses and advatahes, as such, i deleted them from the OP because there is no more reasons to debate about them.

but nothin of what you folks said about the BAR swayed me to like it more.
becuase right now there is absolutely no reason to pick the BAR when better weapons exist in the class.

ARVN machinegunner - in late war will have the M60, in early war the Browning 1919. both equal damage but much more controllable in full-auto, even when firing from the shoulder (which is painfully ironic because no one was supposed to shoulder-fire the 1919 while the BAR was desgined exactly for that function)

NLF machinegunner - same as ARVN except the DP28 is an even better alternative

NLF sapper - if you want to kill people with full-auto fire, just use the MP40 or PPSH, if you want to kill people with long range just use the MAS49 which has less recoil and much more reliable.

"use the BAR as a marksman rifle" or just use an actual marksman rifle like the M1 garand and MAS49 and you will have much better preformance

"use the BAR to surprise the enemy by being in out of place positions" except you can also do that with any other LMG to much greater effect.

when shoulder firing the BAR its recoil is worse than any other gun in the game. battle rifles have less recoil, as well as having less weapon sawy and ADS time.
when mount-firing the BAR the 20 round mag is pathetic and there are 0 upsides that make up for it.

[Imposter]

Well, if it's any consolation: I really wasn't trying to convince you of anything.

I was merely speculating about game decisions, to help paint a picture of reasoning. As I said before: It is, what it is. Yeah, BAR has 20 rounds... Better have good trigger discipline :P

That's what I mean about "more technical" if you understand its limitations(which im sure you do), then use it within the confines of solution. There's no other "secret strategy" other than practice with it, that I know of.

[M82]

Tbh the more you play this game, the more you realise that there are only three real weapons, the MAS, the M14 and the M1 Garand.

[Boii Fan]

Originally posted by Professor T-Bag:

I wouldnt call the BAR useless, any gun that can reliably one shot enemies is good in my book. It's like a budget battle rifle, having high recoil and crazy ADS sway is pretty bad, but when the bipod is deployed and you are in a good defensive position then the gun becomes a great marksman rifle.

The m1 carbine is an excellent choice if you are US and want to be steathy because most of the enemy will be listening for an m16 or m60, so they wont pay attention to the sound of an m1/m2 carbine.

m1 carbine is better than the m2 in any way except mag size