Rising Storm 2: Vietnam

Rising Storm 2: Vietnam

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neo9xklug Sep 11, 2018 @ 6:28pm
Female Viet Cong
Hello guys!

Sry to bring this up again, but the other posts regarding this aspect of the vietnam war are lacking at best.
No one will deny that there were females who played a part in the fighting in Vietnam since hundreds of years. The communism only enhanced the participation of women in warfare and other aspects of life in Vietnam further.

https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-37986986

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/opinion/vietnam-war-women-soldiers.html

The proportion of women who fought in major wars in recent history was, as far as my historic knowledge goes, the highest in Korea and Vietnam while the highest number of female combatants in recent history was probably reached on the eastern front of WW2.

Historically speaking women take part in warfare since thousands of years and especially in asia we find proof of that. Be it women from Scythian or Sarmatian tribes, who inspireed the diea of female warriros, the amazons in Greek mythology, women from western tribes or female samurai and noblewomen in Japan. In Japan for instance are many examples for women fighting in wars from 794 AD till Meiji period (19th century).
Currently Kurdish women are fighting in the middle east in so called Women's Defense Units (YPJ), may they hold their own succesfully.

Should there be a few women on the Vietcong side in RS2? Yes!
On which side? In the People's Liberation Armed Forces of South Vietnam (PLAF)
How many? Maybe the Sniper class to not disturb the historical proportions...
AMEN

Best Regards to all of you
neo9xklug
Last edited by neo9xklug; Sep 11, 2018 @ 6:29pm
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Potshott Sep 11, 2018 @ 6:48pm 
Tracy, the picture please.
Tracy Sep 11, 2018 @ 6:55pm 
Originally posted by Potshott:
Tracy, the picture please.
You got it, Chief.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1446392293
Cylixx Sep 11, 2018 @ 7:42pm 
Thx Tracy. :)
Tracy Sep 11, 2018 @ 7:48pm 
Originally posted by Cylixx:
Thx Tracy. :)
Aye!
Potshott Sep 11, 2018 @ 7:49pm 
Thank you, Tracy.
neo9xklug Sep 11, 2018 @ 8:01pm 
Just saying.^^
Tracy Sep 11, 2018 @ 8:05pm 
I know you're just saying. Yet I'm also pointing out the Developers aren't interested.

PAVN Women were all just either Anti-Aircraft gunners, propaganda producers, or driving trucks down Highway 559 AKA the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

And women in the NLF were either propaganda makers, village security, doctors, or put traps down in lieu of enemy patrols. Rarely did they actually go out and went looking for fights. The Tet Offensive was a rare occassion because they needed virtually everyone they could get in a massive gamble, which flopped hard onto a big bushill of barbed wire.
=(e)= Lemonater47 Sep 12, 2018 @ 12:54am 
The majority of times when women fought it was done out of necessity. To get the numbers.

It's estimated that during the Germanic migrations of the 4th and 5th centuries saw the highest proportions of female figihters. Large groups of Germanic peoples migrated into the lands of the Roman Empire in groups of around 20,000. Which could pull a force of about 40% of their size. Which usually could only stand up to a single Roman legion. Arming the women could drastically tip the balance in their favour. There could be groups that were far larger. But those groups generally attracted the attention of the empire who formed a large army to defeat them. These smaller forces were small enough for the romans to almost ignore them if they didn't cause any trouble and when they did cause trouble their size meant that the romans under estimated them. Especially since at these sixes arming the women was highly beneficial.

After this time women fighters basically fall out of history. In Japanese culture noble women defended their household. Or the household of their liege. You could have groups as large as 100 of fully armed and well trained female fighters usually led by the wife of the ruling lord and all her retainers which were often servents or the wives of those samurai who served the lord.

In Vietnam we don't have much in the way of information. The only time we have female fighters in an offensive is in the Tet offensive. A big coordinated uprising of the VC that assaulted almost all southern positions all at the same time. It effectively killed off the VC as a capable fighting force for about 3 years. Any surviving VC were generally trained "main force" VC which at times were indistinguishable from the NVA. They were organised in battalion sized units and fought as such. With varying degrees of success.

Other instances of encountering female VC fighters were generally encountered during search and destroy missions. It wasn't uncommon for a village to attempt to defend itself against the search and destroy force if it thought it could. Often times forcing only a few casualties on an American force would meant that they pulled back. Giving the village time to get rid of any VC supplies that may be stored there so when they came back they could simply say that the VC forced their way in. All the while keeping the VC supplies safe. There were reports of females taking up arms in these engagements. However this could include the simple act of throwing a grenade of some kind. Instead of actively taking up a firearm and being there for the entire engagement. And of course many villagers technically weren't VC fighters but instead had their own reasons for taking up arms there and then. Much of the northern sympathies were spurred on by nationalism rather than communism. The Americans were just another invader with the southern governement being another puppet.


Proportions are everything. There were literally millions of soldiers involved in the conflict. Nobody actually knows the extent of the VC forces at its peak. Only that it's peak is estimated to have occurred in 1968. With estimates ranging from as low as 200,000 to as high as 1 million (there's actually higher estimates than that but they are a bit ludicrous and would imply that they were all basically slaughtered during Tet). So what was the ratio between men and women? Because that's what ultimately matters here. The majority of people will be happy if the ratio depected in game depicts reality. Information is relitively scarce so we can only estimate. Plus the definition of "VC fighter" is even up for debate. But if you call everyone who fought against the southern governments forces VC (which to be honest it's what they basically classified as VC at the time) then you can still pretty safely assume that it was only 1 in a few thousand.
ETucc Sep 12, 2018 @ 3:26am 
Originally posted by Tracy:
Originally posted by Potshott:
Tracy, the picture please.
You got it, Chief.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1446392293
I don't know why but this just made my morning rofl.

Pic-chaaaaa!
xBGLx狂犬 Sep 12, 2018 @ 4:55am 
so much text but we're all knew that most of people just want to jerk on female parts of body while playing the game.

just find a gf lol
Last edited by xBGLx狂犬; Sep 12, 2018 @ 4:55am
Baba Booey Sep 12, 2018 @ 5:13am 
Originally posted by xBULLETx:
so much text but we're all knew that most of people just want to jerk on female parts of body while playing the game.

just find a gf lol
this
sonoob Sep 12, 2018 @ 6:17am 
Off topic but related question here:

Despite the numerous threads asking for women to be added into this game, and numerous answers (including from the dev team) rejecting that proposal, is it possible that some day, female fighters will be added into this game?

My main concern is this: If somehow, someone managed to pay a gaming news website (say K***ku) to state the necessity to add in female characters, pressuring Tripwire or Antimatter, will they succumb to the wave? This, plus constant forum requests and youtube videos asking for it, and/or other unothordox methods, might change our strict policy on females.
ETucc Sep 12, 2018 @ 6:31am 
Originally posted by Sonoob:
Off topic but related question here:

Despite the numerous threads asking for women to be added into this game, and numerous answers (including from the dev team) rejecting that proposal, is it possible that some day, female fighters will be added into this game?

My main concern is this: If somehow, someone managed to pay a gaming news website (say K***ku) to state the necessity to add in female characters, pressuring Tripwire or Antimatter, will they succumb to the wave? This, plus constant forum requests and youtube videos asking for it, and/or other unothordox methods, might change our strict policy on females.
Just stop.
xBGLx狂犬 Sep 12, 2018 @ 6:32am 
Originally posted by Sonoob:
Off topic but related question here:

Despite the numerous threads asking for women to be added into this game, and numerous answers (including from the dev team) rejecting that proposal, is it possible that some day, female fighters will be added into this game?

My main concern is this: If somehow, someone managed to pay a gaming news website (say K***ku) to state the necessity to add in female characters, pressuring Tripwire or Antimatter, will they succumb to the wave? This, plus constant forum requests and youtube videos asking for it, and/or other unothordox methods, might change our strict policy on females.


send them 1 million dollars and they will do everything you want
UR ESTROGEN DEALER Sep 12, 2018 @ 10:02am 
who pays you people to come into every gaming community and force female&minority characters onto developers? you people have to be getting paid by someone to do this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ... there's no way you people care that much about what your video game avatar (that gets blown to shreds) looks like from someone elses perspective
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