Why is M16 so accurate and it doesn't jam at all?

[Ornlu Wolfjarl]

AK was nerfed to hell to be more "realistic". M16 is accurate like a pinpoint laser because apparently that's how it's supposed to be, but it never jams. Why doesn't it jam when Vietnam M16s were supposed to be notorious for jamming?

My point is, AK deficiencies are simulated, while M16 deficiencies aren't. I know it's probably hard to simulate jamming and it could lead to a lot of rage-quit, but if M16 doesn't jam, then maybe AK should be a lot more accurate.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

M16 only jammed when you didn't look after it properly.

[Ornlu Wolfjarl]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

M16 only jammed when you didn't look after it properly.

Lemonater, that's theoretically true, but here we are talking about Vietnam. According to Wikipedia (and a congressional investigation), the M16 jammed so often because its rounds used a lower quality powder than the one it was tested with. Also its chamber was prone to corrosion, especially in the humid jungle, because it wasn't chrome-plated. This was fixed much later in the war. Further, there were a lot of instances where the rifles were issued without cleaning kits, or the cleaning kits were issued, but the soldiers weren't trained on how to properly maintain their rifles.

Even if the problem was that just the soldiers neglected to maintain their rifles, that's something that should be simulated in the game, because it actually played a big role in how the war played out.

The bottom line is that playing as US you get a rifle that has 100% accuracy, while as VC you get a rifle that has maybe 30-50% accuracy. That's a huge difference. I'm all for asymmetrical gameplay but this is just ridiculous.

[TEA.UP®IrishHitman79]

I think it's all pretty fine, loaded with 18rounds that's true, the game is set late war period so I was told, so by then the jam issue was all but solved...

Now I do find it odd I can 1 shot kill most of the time <150m. While with the mosin or m14 at 100m does nothing slot of the time, oh but im lead to believe thats "over penatration" ffs.

So it's fix the mosin + m14.
I do feel the m16 is over performing tho, Its clearly obvious every game.

Maybe add a little more sway to it?

[Venticuliar]

They're buffing the AK next patch to have 25% less recoil, and also to have more damage at closer ranges.

[Davakar]

Originally posted by Ornlu Wolfjarl:

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

M16 only jammed when you didn't look after it properly.

but the soldiers weren't trained on how to properly maintain their rifles.

Ummm.... what?!?!? This sentence alone invalidates everything you just said.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Ornlu Wolfjarl:

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

M16 only jammed when you didn't look after it properly.

Lemonater, that's theoretically true, but here we are talking about Vietnam. According to Wikipedia (and a congressional investigation), the M16 jammed so often because its rounds used a lower quality powder than the one it was tested with. Also its chamber was prone to corrosion, especially in the humid jungle, because it wasn't chrome-plated. This was fixed much later in the war. Further, there were a lot of instances where the rifles were issued without cleaning kits, or the cleaning kits were issued, but the soldiers weren't trained on how to properly maintain their rifles.

Even if the problem was that just the soldiers neglected to maintain their rifles, that's something that should be simulated in the game, because it actually played a big role in how the war played out.

The bottom line is that playing as US you get a rifle that has 100% accuracy, while as VC you get a rifle that has maybe 30-50% accuracy. That's a huge difference. I'm all for asymmetrical gameplay but this is just ridiculous.

The bad powder and the lack of a chrome lined barrel meant that the user had to pretty much clean it every day. Along with every time it was used in a battle.

Early in the war they didn't know why it kept jamming and jamming in a spectacular fashion which required a gun smith to properly fix it. But they figured it out and by 1967 they weren't jamming.

Colt advertised it as the rifle that never needed to be cleaned. That got people killed.

[Ornlu Wolfjarl]

Originally posted by Davakar:

Originally posted by Ornlu Wolfjarl:

but the soldiers weren't trained on how to properly maintain their rifles.

Ummm.... what?!?!? This sentence alone invalidates everything you just said.

Why? We are talking about a 20-year conflict with 12 of those consisting of direct US military involvement. The same conditions didn't always apply. My point is that the rifles weren't unmaintained due to personal negligence on some individual soldiers' part. It was a much wider problem owed to administration issues.

[TEA.UP®IrishHitman79]

I reckon the 25% will solve the AK issues. If you use them in semi you will notice the difference big time.

Now I expect them to add the 25% to the m14, it will be the perfect AA gun then.

[Big Duke]

Originally posted by ♨TEA.UP®♨♣IrishHitman79:

I reckon the 25% will solve the AK issues. If you use them in semi you will notice the difference big time.

Now I expect them to add the 25% to the m14, it will be the perfect AA gun then.

Lol

I agree it's very annoying. This "overpenetration" nonsense with the m14. Overpenetration = fleshwound in this game which a direct hit from 762x51 isn't known for

[kev2go]

A) because in actuality the M16 is a very accurate AR , being effective weapon up to 500m, with very modest recoil.


B)

Yes its true that RS2 isnt COD aracde rambo shooter , Its tactical shooter, however this still isn't a hyper realistic combat sim. Should we have a segment of us having to field strip and clean our rifles too between matches? That would be boring for most.

this still meant to be a game, and fun for the audience.


And as the moderator has already explained the A1 only encountered jamming issues when it wasn't regularly cleaned, and with the earlier version where it was advertised as "self Cleaning" and was initially issued improper powdered ammunition.

otherwise M16A1 when cleaned was a fine Assault rifle. Ofc occasional stoppages could potentially occur IRL as with any gun, but it would be a simple Chamber clearing procedure.

[Big Duke]

Originally posted by kev2go:

A) because in actuality the M16 is a very accurate AR out to 500m, with very modest recoil.


B)

Yes its true that RS2 isnt COD aracde rambo shooter , Its tactical shooter, however this still isn't a hyper realistic combat sim. Should we have a segment of us having to field strip and clean our rifles too between matches? That would be boring for most.

this still meant to be a game, and fun for the audience.


And as the moderator has already explained the A1 only encountered jamming issues when it wasn't regularly cleaned, and with the earlier version where it was advertised as "self Cleaning" and was initially issued improper powdered ammunition.

otherwise when cleaned M16A1 when cleaned was a fine Assault rifle. Ofc occasional stoppages could potentially occur IRL as with any gun, but it would be a simple Chamber clearing procedure.

AS for the Fir

nice job explaning it.

i've said before on other threads, simple things are answered with a quick "google", but most people cant seem to use it for anything other than pornography.

[Valentine Michael Smith]

because america is awesome

[TEA.UP®IrishHitman79]

Yes, you see it's simple physics as we are told to believe.

See the m16s round will kill you stone dead at ranges <150m by it's tumbling effect at blazing speeds lodge in your skin and instantly die from lead poisoning. Now at ranges >150m you will need a second or even third round to push the first one in, to kill you that is.

Now tho the problem with the m14s 7.62mm round is its "OVER PENATRATION" at any range <200m it goes to slow, its unreastic to die from one shot(not including the head that is) it will simply pass right on doin it's thing, you might get a bloody nose in some rare cases. Any thing past that tho your golden 1500m no trouble Insta kill. Its ment to shoot down aircraft at high altitude see...Recoil cannon.

It's how the Germans lost the war you know, K98k,G43, Mg42 so on... All suffered "OVER PENATRATION".

[Catatonic Twitch Streamer]

they can make it as asymmetrical as they want as long as the balance is right. i think if it was historically accurate usa would keep on loosing.

[kev2go]

oh regarding the M16 jamming bit. found this video for demonstration and more in depth explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyXndCxn9K4


compared to AK test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU