Marksmen (aka "snipers")

[Pogey-Bait]

I know this topic in FPS is like beating a dead horse, so I'll start with that but ---

What exactly is the point of having them in video games? Is it to cater to the lowest common denominator of epeen kids?

They get all the advantages of having a scope, being able to sit somewhere out of the combat area where everyone else with "normal" guns has to fight and just pick people off one by one.

They have zero drawbacks in this game. No consequence. They can just freely shoot whoever crosses their zoomed in sights. Meanwhile everyone else has to serpentine/dodge and use tactics to move onto a point and fight other players within 30-50 meters.

I just don't get it. People that play this role are actually the opposite of marksmen. They are handed a crutch of a scope to make shooting the enemy 1000x easier than the rest of us. It takes the opposite of skill to play this role and just seems like a huge slap in the face to the rest of the players who actually have to play a soldier.

[Finarfin]

jesus christ,that is the whole point of a sniper

[MrOdge]

Because getting a headshot from 250m+ is satisfying af.

[Pogey-Bait]

Originally posted by RaptorJesús:

jesus christ,that is the whole point of a sniper

My point here is that they have ZERO drawbacks. It's like handing two kids on one team God Mode.

[Ailes]

You could say the same about MGs. Snipers, in theory, are supposed to take out key opponents, such as hostile MGs. I've tried going marksman in RO2/RS2 and it really isn't that easy. Haven't tried RS2 yet.

[Pogey-Bait]

Not every battle in a war had snipers. Not even close. I honestly think game designers put them in games just for egotistical kiddies who cant handle actual combat.

[Ailes]

Originally posted by Pogey-Bait:

Not every battle in a war had snipers. Not even close. I honestly think game designers put them in games just for egotistical kiddies who cant handle actual combat.

You could apply that logic to other classes/guns that keep appearing too, I suppose.

[Pogey-Bait]

Originally posted by Bahuemac:

Originally posted by Pogey-Bait:

Not every battle in a war had snipers. Not even close. I honestly think game designers put them in games just for egotistical kiddies who cant handle actual combat.

You could apply that logic to other classes/guns that keep appearing too, I suppose.

My whole point is, even the guys with MGs have to get engaged in the combat from a reasonable distance to actually get kills on most occasions. Snipers do not. They can basically just hide on the edges of the maps and have free reign over the battlefield. No other kit/set up can do that.

[MrOdge]

But that is the whole point of being a sniper.. Helping your team from a distance.

[Pogey-Bait]

Just seems cheap as dirt to me. And they are not "marksmen" at all in my opinion. they are the opposite. The real "marksmen" are the ones who can make a long shot with iron sights.

[Jagdwyre]

Literally the only thing that a sniper gets over you is a scope. That scope allows him to see things better but has zero effect on their weapon's accuracy. 90% of engagement ranges(about 0-250 meters) in this game allow you to countersnipe a sniper with an AK if you know his location.

It doesn't take "less skill" to play a sniper. Generally speaking they aren't even getting as may kills as someone with a typical rifle or, especially for this franchise, an LMG.

The actual role of a sniper in this game is long range zone control and taking out MG gunners and fixed MG positions.

Bottom line trying to paint classes that fustrate you in a game as "no skill" and/or "played by little kids" is just you trying to make you feel better about yourself getting killed. You're just placing the blame of your fustration onto them and not looking at yourself and how you might get better.

AKA: Snipers are fine and have a use.

[Cynical Jester]

Originally posted by Pogey-Bait:

Not every battle in a war had snipers. Not even close. I honestly think game designers put them in games just for egotistical kiddies who cant handle actual combat.

I hate it when people like you use ignorant comments like this..

Sniper is a SUPPORT class.

Snipers have many drawbacks. Sniping in RS2 is rather difficult as you don't get many long range engagements and close range with a sniper is crippling.

Now I'm going to circle back to your comment... If you want historical accuracy then you need to stop playing games and pick up books. Because VIDEO GAMES are NEVER going to be historically accurate. Simple as that.

[Pogey-Bait]

How does it take just as much skill to kill someone with a 4x or 8x scope sitting in the bushes 250 meters away than it does as someone who has to walk through the middle of the battlefield and fight multiple enemies that are actually shooting back at them?

[Duke705]

I haven't played RS:2 yet but I've played alot of RO:2. I like how snipers are limited to one or two per side rather than allowing an entire game to consist of snipers (COD/Battlefield). I get what you're saying and I agree that they are a pain. I get a kick out of hunting them down and killing them up close with pistol or melee. However,I do think it takes some skill. Some people are really good at sniping (but i'm not) and I think that's what makes it even more frustrating.

[Pogey-Bait]

Originally posted by Mezn3r:

Originally posted by Pogey-Bait:

Not every battle in a war had snipers. Not even close. I honestly think game designers put them in games just for egotistical kiddies who cant handle actual combat.

I hate it when people like you use ignorant comments like this..

Sniper is a SUPPORT class.

Snipers have many drawbacks. Sniping in RS2 is rather difficult as you don't get many long range engagements and close range with a sniper is crippling.

Now I'm going to circle back to your comment... If you want historical accuracy then you need to stop playing games and pick up books. Because VIDEO GAMES are NEVER going to be historically accurate. Simple as that.

Name one drawback a sniper has in this game.

[Cynical Jester]

Originally posted by Pogey-Bait:

Originally posted by Mezn3r:

I hate it when people like you use ignorant comments like this..

Sniper is a SUPPORT class.

Snipers have many drawbacks. Sniping in RS2 is rather difficult as you don't get many long range engagements and close range with a sniper is crippling.

Now I'm going to circle back to your comment... If you want historical accuracy then you need to stop playing games and pick up books. Because VIDEO GAMES are NEVER going to be historically accurate. Simple as that.

Name one drawback a sniper has in this game.

Bolt action in a automatic war, distance is close in a lot of maps, foliage, ability to see across distances and most importantly of all the SKILL of the player behind the rifle. If a crappy player plays a sniper class you'll never know he's there because he sucks.