It'd be nice if the double glock was permanent

[Foster]

By the time you get it you're highly likely to die, and losing it upon death means it's practically worthless in that case because you have to get lucky in order to keep moving forwards. And on top of that, the better you do every run it seems like the game always starts nearly 10% more difficult in terms of generation, which makes sense however is horribly imbalanced considering you always only start with the default glock and that horrible MP40.
I think it would make more sense to allow those who unlock the double glock to keep using it even if they die, because it evens out the odds a bit better than something pretty much useless such as the crosshair or the auto-reload items.

[Foster]

Also, either lower the HP or lower the damage that the snowman boss from the 6th floor does because I had an insanely good defense rating (halfway to full) and about 20 armor and it was still hitting me for about 10 percent or more of my health per landed hit and that massive range, quick spin attack it does is just brutal on top of the insane healthbar that took all of my M1 Garand and Gauss Rifle damage to wittle down and I still had to top it off with most of a double barrel glock mag.
Lower HP makes more sense, that healthbar is ludicrous.

[Stormplanet]

its from floor 5 and he is not too strong just get around 40%-50% speed and stamina and you will be able to dodge everything easly also i dont reccomend armor because its % chance soo its not really reliablle you can block 3 5damage attacks in a row but then get hit with 3 10damage attcaks its random also they will never give you the double pistol forever its too strong on early floors it will likely 1shot everything

[Stormplanet]

something that should change is the health of the monster boss from floor 6 it has soo much health what will 66 ammo for my pump shotgun and 30 shots from a laser rifle and it still took me around 20 min to finish him i mean my damag was only around 60% and with low critical strike chance but if you dont get damag items it takes sooo long

[Stormplanet]

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[Foster]

Originally posted by storm planet:

its from floor 5 and he is not too strong just get around 40%-50% speed and stamina and you will be able to dodge everything easly also i dont reccomend armor because its % chance soo its not really reliablle you can block 3 5damage attacks in a row but then get hit with 3 10damage attcaks its random also they will never give you the double pistol forever its too strong on early floors it will likely 1shot everything

I had decent speed and stamina too. All of my stats in that area were around the same percentage as each other. The Snowman is simply too hard hitting and too fast and too freaking tanky to properly make sense for balancing.

Reason I had armor is because I got an item from a safe that had a 20% chance at giving me armor on every kill I got.

The fact that the snowman boss gives you a permanent item that starts you with the double barreled shotgun which is one of the hardest hitting, if not THE hardest hitting weapon in the game means your argument that the dual glock is too powerful in the early floors is completely invalid. Besides that, the early floors get harder to compensate for item pick-ups anyways. The dual glock isn't so much better than the default glock that it would make it too easy, it'd make the odds less skewed in favor of the monsters.

The snowman is the floor 6 boss by the way, floor 5 is the buffed up version of the first floor's boss.

[Stormplanet]

dude if you dont know anything about the game let me explain (i won the game) and played alot of hours in it if you look at my profile and think thats not much soo i played around another 75 hours offline by the way if you didnt know here is the boss list 1 easy wierd boss 2 snowman 3 warm 4upgraded 1st boss 5 upgraded snowman the one you are talking about 6 dragon monster 7 upgraded boss from floor 4 and 8 final boss witch soo i wasnt wrong also the snowman boss is easy if you had the stats i talked about before beacause with those stats i finished him without taking anyhits if you think he is overpowered that means you either didnt have the stats or it means you just suck at the game or at least at that section of the game (practice will help) also you were talking aboutt shields i ment armor the thing you have in your stats and the shotgun is way weaker than the duel pistols he has only one shot + limited ammo and bigger spread and the pistols have about almost the same damage + 1 of the best dps (damage per second ) in the game + lower spread + unlimited ammo and if you still think that is not op so at floor 8 and 7 you will meet enemys from early floor try shooting them and see how they melt having those pistols basiclly means skipping floors 1-5
hope i helped

[Stormplanet]

the only weapons in the game what have better dps are the pump shotgun (but he has lower mag) and bigger spread
the assualt rifle what is probably the best dps in the game
and the minigun (not the laser one) and he has move speed slow slow reload and wastes ammo faster than you can blink
and not to mention the fact what they all have limited ammo

[Stormplanet]

and also you will probably get them only around floors
pump shot around 3+
minigun around 5+
and assualt rifle around 6+
you can get them earlier but normaly they appear in shops and weapon rooms and triple weapon deals only around those floors (wonder why)

[Stormplanet]

also i dont wont to sound like a pro or a douche or anything else i just dont wont stupid changes what will make the game super easy it should be hard that all the fun

[Stormplanet]

soo i am sorry if i said something bad i didnt mean to make you angry or sad

[Foster]

Originally posted by storm planet:

soo i am sorry if i said something bad i didnt mean to make you angry or sad

This is the most insulting thing you've said, immediately assuming that I'm gonna have my widdew feewings hurt by some random guy.

Originally posted by storm planet:

also i dont wont to sound like a pro or a douche or anything else i just dont wont stupid changes what will make the game super easy it should be hard that all the fun

The game is far too skewed in favor of the monsters to the point where the yellow snowman boss fight was a purely luck based event despite me having an insanely good run.
A pistol that is just a bit better than the default pistol is not going to make the game super easy.
The double barrel shotgun has more damage no debate, I've used the double barrel and the double glock at the same time before and the double barrel does more damage per shot and does more damage over a given amount of time because one shot from the double barrel does almost double the amount of damage a full mag from the double glock does and they have almost identical reload times.

Originally posted by storm planet:

dude if you dont know anything about the game let me explain (i won the game)

Considering I've almost beaten the game a couple times now, I think I know enough about the game to suggest balancing changes for the enemies that I've faced off and won against as well as the weapons that I've used many many times across all my runs.

Originally posted by storm planet:

if you think he is overpowered that means you either didnt have the stats or it means you just suck at the game or at least at that section of the game (practice will help) also you were talking aboutt shields i ment armor the thing you have in your stats

I've beaten the yellow snowman boss, so I don't particularly need you insulting me for no reason when I haven't insulted you at all. If you want to make this an insult contest I'll gladly contend.

Also no, defense is the stat that you can upgrade like stamina and max health, armor is what you can pick up in the form of those vests. I can't even think of even one thing in the game that's referred to as a shield, though that might be in the name of an item that you can grab off of a pedestal.

[Foster]

I would also like to note I am talking specifically about the one that's just two glocks welded/bolted together and not the dual wielded glocks.

[Stormplanet]

ohh ok my bad first you are right about the shields and armor i messed it up also i am sorry i was soo rude i dont want to insult you i am 100% sure youre as good as me maybe even better
also i thought you referd to the duel wielded ones cause they would be oveerpowered but still i think what even a permenent doublebarrel pistol is still not needed also if you want i could spectate one of your runs maybe share a few tips with each other and i am always ready to make a new friend i am sorry again i insulted you earlier i didnt mean it hope you forgive me :)

[Zolynn Fowlwinter]

Storm i think you might want to work on your grammar.

[TR-Jaybles]

I think they are giving yout he option to not pick it up at all. If you want speed over damage the normal gun is way better as the upgrade reloads much slower!

PS: I love that croshair & Auto-reload item a lot though makes it easier to keep running and gunning!