is Götterdämmerung worth it?

[dustfang61]

i havent played in a few months because it got boring even with mods. im just wondering does the DLC add actual gameplay or RP stuff that doesnt feel like cosmetic changes? i want something like that last DLC that added trains!

[Banelord]

Depends how much you pay for it, and that is all I am gonna say.

The DLC itself feels like a brand new game, I find it amazing. Plus some new soundtrack kick ass, like the "Hearts Of Barbed Wire", where they reworked the original (already amazing enough) Belgian miltary march "March of the 4th Squadron of the 1st Guides Regiment". Recommend.

[The Real Private Kowalski]

It's not and it's overrated.

Ger; gets way to many buffs like they can get modern tanks in 42 if you use the research buffs right, AI Hitler, but other then that it's about as good as the Ita or Sov focus trees.

Congo: the hist tree is just ripped from mods (GWR has a shared focus tree where both French Indochina and France could do focuses in the same tree) All of the monarchist trees suck, the commie tree just reuses the commie/hist Ethiopian African union mini game so if you have played Ethiopia you have played Congo and the demo tree is mid.

Bel: tree is good kind of OP as you can join the Comintern and force Ger to fight Sov and the allies at the same time (sadly the AI is too stupid to crush Ger while fighting a 2 front war)

Aus: tree is really OP can puppet all of central Europe before 1938 non Hapsburg paths suck though.

Hun has a good focus tree about the same as Pol.

Special projects feel like they are only in the game to add more micro like MIOs other then a few of the projects they all suck and are kind of useless.

The AI is still stupid even after PDX "fixed" it

Over all this DLC broke the balance of the game, made the Axis way to OP and added more pointless micro.

OP if you do get the DLC get it when it is 70-90% off as it is worth 7$ max

[Fort Mark]

If you like a more historical game then it's def worth getting.

[dustfang61]

yea im thinking ill hold off untill its around 10$ later around jan or feb. i like the micro but the fact its still the same old game with the illusion of detail is what puts me off. all of my hours are single player and im tired of never seeing the AI use tanks or smart fleet moves. i feel like the engine for this game is near its limits of gameplay and simulation. maybe its time for a hoi5 because its nearly 10 years old at this point lol

[Včelí medvídek]

It instantly became mandatory alongside MtG and NSB. Kinda what WtT once was.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by dustfang61:

yea im thinking ill hold off untill its around 10$ later around jan or feb. i like the micro but the fact its still the same old game with the illusion of detail is what puts me off. all of my hours are single player and im tired of never seeing the AI use tanks or smart fleet moves. i feel like the engine for this game is near its limits of gameplay and simulation. maybe its time for a hoi5 because its nearly 10 years old at this point lol

AI use lot of tanks and very proper divisions (eg standard ifnantry seems be 9/2 with support
companies which is very solid). Navy and invasions are still mess, same as oversupply - this cripple Ai effort in long run but I did not expect miracles. Overasll imho the AI is much better.

I really like the Inner circle mechanic and breakthroughts - they have lot of customization along the way, not only the flavor. Raids are interesting too, though bit OP as the chance is not zero (so actually you cna drop atomics without getting air superiority). Can only look forward what e OWB and other modders will do with those features as they are great.

Otherwise the Focus trees are well done for paid ones, of course Germany got most love. It need some ironing out in balance but definitely alongside best DLC out there.

[Gorgeous_Joe]

First time since they released the game back in 2016 that i have recruited Fallschirmjäger
and
It is much harder to get medium tanks up and running by 1940, basically everything has been slowed down but extra options have been added, in essence it stretches the game more instead of it ending by 41/42 or earlier if you really used to cheese it.

Not sure about some of the extra companies though, armoured engineers are more expensive than 38 medium tanks for example and they haven't done anything to allow you to add flavour to the builds, seems to be the opposite in fact.

It's still the same map which is the biggest problem, HOI5 needs to at least double the map size otherwise once youve done europe its game over unless you really want to mop up the americas.

Is it worth the price? Probably not, no but then again, what does £20 buy you today? Cheaper than spending a couple of hours at the cinema and you'll spend more time playing it too.

[DerRitter]

yes

[DerRitter]

Originally posted by The Real Private Kowalski:

It's not and it's overrated.

Ger; gets way to many buffs like they can get modern tanks in 42 if you use the research buffs right, AI Hitler, but other then that it's about as good as the Ita or Sov focus trees.

Congo: the hist tree is just ripped from mods (GWR has a shared focus tree where both French Indochina and France could do focuses in the same tree) All of the monarchist trees suck, the commie tree just reuses the commie/hist Ethiopian African union mini game so if you have played Ethiopia you have played Congo and the demo tree is mid.

Bel: tree is good kind of OP as you can join the Comintern and force Ger to fight Sov and the allies at the same time (sadly the AI is too stupid to crush Ger while fighting a 2 front war)

Aus: tree is really OP can puppet all of central Europe before 1938 non Hapsburg paths suck though.

Hun has a good focus tree about the same as Pol.

Special projects feel like they are only in the game to add more micro like MIOs other then a few of the projects they all suck and are kind of useless.

The AI is still stupid even after PDX "fixed" it

Over all this DLC broke the balance of the game, made the Axis way to OP and added more pointless micro.

OP if you do get the DLC get it when it is 70-90% off as it is worth 7$ max

its better than the last few DLCs

[The Real Private Kowalski]

Originally posted by DerRitter:

Originally posted by The Real Private Kowalski:

It's not and it's overrated.

Ger; gets way to many buffs like they can get modern tanks in 42 if you use the research buffs right, AI Hitler, but other then that it's about as good as the Ita or Sov focus trees.

Congo: the hist tree is just ripped from mods (GWR has a shared focus tree where both French Indochina and France could do focuses in the same tree) All of the monarchist trees suck, the commie tree just reuses the commie/hist Ethiopian African union mini game so if you have played Ethiopia you have played Congo and the demo tree is mid.

Bel: tree is good kind of OP as you can join the Comintern and force Ger to fight Sov and the allies at the same time (sadly the AI is too stupid to crush Ger while fighting a 2 front war)

Aus: tree is really OP can puppet all of central Europe before 1938 non Hapsburg paths suck though.

Hun has a good focus tree about the same as Pol.

Special projects feel like they are only in the game to add more micro like MIOs other then a few of the projects they all suck and are kind of useless.

The AI is still stupid even after PDX "fixed" it

Over all this DLC broke the balance of the game, made the Axis way to OP and added more pointless micro.

OP if you do get the DLC get it when it is 70-90% off as it is worth 7$ max

its better than the last few DLCs

those set the bar so low that hell is higher then it.

if you compare it to good DLC's (NSB and MTG) then it's mid at best

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

It's still the same map which is the biggest problem, HOI5 needs to at least double the map size otherwise once youve done europe its game over unless you really want to mop up the americas.

And what you expect in ww2 game? Mars?

Btw HoI2 had map split into about 2.600 provinces, HoI3 15k, HoI4 has 21k - and it is one of reasons AI has issues handle everything and performance burden.

[Luey Hewis]

no

[heracles87]

Originally posted by Fort Mark:

If you like a more historical game then it's def worth getting.

You mean like the Historical accuracy of Italy sailing 90% of its Army across the Atlantic and North Sea to be sunk by the RN just to try to get to N Germany?

[Reaper King]

Ai is alot better. Haven't gotten into a proper war but I have played some hours of Kaisereich Germany. When you annex austria you no longer get 50 templates of ♥♥♥♥. You barely get any templates at all now. As for the German Civil war ? You actually have to focus now. The AI actually understand how to mass troops now. If you are caught lacking, over extended or hyper focus on a region you won't lose but they will punished you. The ai actually understand using mobile forces to create breakthroughs.

Focus tree's are much better and are all very fun. Belgium is gas. Special projekts are just amazing.

[Shotgun Merwin]

If you like playing the germanic countries, maybe. I don't know, i never really liked playing them. If not, the only other things you get are the prototype system which is honestly kind of useless and resembles busy work more than anything to me. Usually by the time you can field any prototype, they're going to be be WAY obsolete. Then you get the raid system, which once again, just seems like more busy work. Yeah, you can spend a huge amount of time and resources to assign your bombers to blow up germany's dams, which does nothing and has no real impact on the war.