How to get puppet war score?

[AggroBuLLeT]

hello! I'm playing bulgaria and I puppeted all of the balkans. I attacked hungary and defeated them. Now, in the peace conference I can't take everything because I lack points. In the past (old peace conference) puppets would give you their war score and stuff. is this not the case anymore? I have been spamming "Pass" for 85 turns but I don't get any score.

What now? https://i.imgur.com/tk2Lb2w.jpeg

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

I have been spamming "Pass" for 85 turns but I don't get any score.

Peace conferences have 5 rounds. If you have a significant amount of participation points then you get points each of those five rounds. If your war score is garbage you only get points on the first round.

If both sides run out of points during those five rounds then any land not purchased goes back to the capitulated owner.

The two main ways to gain participation points is land combat damage and occupation. Lend leasing (which takes away from the receivers points) can be useful to throw away your old gear or excess fuel for points.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

I have been spamming "Pass" for 85 turns but I don't get any score.

Peace conferences have 5 rounds. If you have a significant amount of participation points then you get points each of those five rounds. If your war score is garbage you only get points on the first round.

If both sides run out of points during those five rounds then any land not purchased goes back to the capitulated owner.

The two main ways to gain participation points is land combat damage and occupation. Lend leasing (which takes away from the receivers points) can be useful to throw away your old gear or excess fuel for points.

Yeah I know I don't have enough points. But my puppets do. In the past, I would get all the points from all my puppets. Is this not the case anymore? That new peace conference screen is really weird.

[HappySack]

You don't have unlimited points anymore and more allies in the war means more competition, also note that puppeting territory is cheaper than annexing.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by HappySack:

You don't have unlimited points anymore and more allies in the war means more competition, also note that puppeting territory is cheaper than annexing.

yes but look in the screenshot in OP.

In order to take everything, I need 170 points. I only have 23 points though. So obviously not enough.

HOWEVER, my puppets have over 500 points. 500 of their points + my 23 = well more than I need in order to take what I want. So WHY am I not getting their points? This is the part I don't understand.

In the past, you would ALWAYS get the war score of your puppets. These are Reichspuppets too, meaning the highest grade of puppets in the game. the one you can have most control over.

[HappySack]

According to the wiki a Reichskomissariat will only give 10% of their war score to you.

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Puppet#Autonomy_levels_(fascism)

So you're in a bit of a tough situation about this, also note that the cost of things go up during the peace deal so if you couldn't afford territory early on then it will be even more difficult later especially with how stupid the AI can be when it contests your claims.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by HappySack:

According to the wiki a Reichskomissariat will only give 10% of their war score to you.

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Puppet#Autonomy_levels_(fascism)

So you're in a bit of a tough situation about this, also note that the cost of things go up during the peace deal so if you couldn't afford territory early on then it will be even more difficult later especially with how stupid the AI can be when it contests your claims.

well me and my puppets are the only ones in the war. so nobody else can take anything from me. problem is, I can't take anything either lmao

[Big Moustache]

Your puppets did most of the work. And you are taking all the land without even bordering those lands. You should have used your warscore to evenly divide those lands between your puppets. Build them up and lower autonomy

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by HappySack:

According to the wiki a Reichskomissariat will only give 10% of their war score to you.

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Puppet#Autonomy_levels_(fascism)

So you're in a bit of a tough situation about this, also note that the cost of things go up during the peace deal so if you couldn't afford territory early on then it will be even more difficult later especially with how stupid the AI can be when it contests your claims.

Costs only increase each round if it has been purchased or contested.

You can even go back and contest something you missed out on earlier if you did not have enough points that round. However that price still increased each round that passed. Like say you went and secured the dozen other territories you needed, then went back for the expensive one later, even though someone had won it in a previous round.

In other words if you had enough war score over the AI you could go back and purchase everything they tried for.

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

In the past, you would ALWAYS get the war score of your puppets. These are Reichspuppets too, meaning the highest grade of puppets in the game. the one you can have most control over.

That change is also probably why the AI no longer roflstomps you in peace conferences by puppeting the entire country before you even got the chance to spend your points.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by Fragoos:

Your puppets did most of the work. And you are taking all the land without even bordering those lands. You should have used your warscore to evenly divide those lands between your puppets. Build them up and lower autonomy

but they are my puppets. they have no say in any of this, lol. besides, I can't divide the land evenly anyway simply because I don't have any points. It costs MY points to give them land. They are sitting on their war score without spending anything.

absolute garbo redesign of the peace conference. The point of having puppets is to let them fight and occupy stuff for you, so you don't have to do it yourself. Now this isn't viable anymore, since they dont give you war score like back in the day

absolute no point in having puppets now whatsoever.

[apudzuf]

The reason this conference is a bust is because AI puppets generally don't bid on anything unless it's a core or claim for themselves or on behalf of an ally. In this case, neither Romania nor Yugoslavia have cores or claims on Hungary. Puppets with significant war participation will just waste it. You generally shouldn't involve puppets if you can help it.

If you gained your puppets through war, a better strategy here would have been to have annex part of Yugoslavia or Romania when you took them, allowing you to fight Hungary without involving the puppets; then after capping Hungary, release the annexed territory back to the puppet.

Originally posted by Fragoos:

You should have used your warscore to evenly divide those lands between your puppets. Build them up and lower autonomy

This wouldn't do anything to decrease the cost, since none of these states is claimed or cored by the OP's puppets. The only action that would decrease costs would be for the OP to annex one state per turn, starting from cheapest to most expensive, as this would apply influence cost modifiers on subsequent turns. Even then, with only 33% war participation, it likely wouldn't discount things enough to get everything.

Originally posted by HappySack:

also note that puppeting territory is cheaper than annexing.

Puppeting is cheaper only if you're communist. It's cheaper to annex when you're fascist, which the OP is in this case.

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

absolute garbo redesign of the peace conference. The point of having puppets is to let them fight and occupy stuff for you, so you don't have to do it yourself. Now this isn't viable anymore, since they dont give you war score like back in the day

Design flaw, probably, but you can make it work if you understand the mechanics. More info on the peace conference.

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

absolute no point in having puppets now whatsoever.

From the standpoint of just peace conferences perhaps, but there are other pros/cons of puppeting.

[Big Moustache]

You can have the economic benefits of lands without holding them yourself. Your puppets function as buffer too. And if you want the lands yourself you can annex. I do not see what is the problem with puppets?

Romania has core on the region you took in the screenshot, and you block them from the rest, that is why they keep sitting on that warscore. yugoslavia does not want Hungarian land, Romania does. You started a war that Romania has event for, and than denied them their main objective. Just a fair warning, the game has tendency to course correct these things, and you will lose Romania as a puppet completely

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by Fragoos:

You can have the economic benefits of lands without holding them yourself. Your puppets function as buffer too. And if you want the lands yourself you can annex. I do not see what is the problem with puppets?

Romania has core on the region you took in the screenshot, and you block them from the rest, that is why they keep sitting on that warscore. yugoslavia does not want Hungarian land, Romania does. You started a war that Romania has event for, and than denied them their main objective. Just a fair warning, the game has tendency to course correct these things, and you will lose Romania as a puppet completely

again: no. They don't demand anything. They just sit on their warscore and leave the peace conference. Even if I don't take ANYTHING and just spam "pass". They never demand anything, because they are puppets. They literally LEAVE the peace conference, instead of giving me their war score.

as for the rest: no. didn't happen. I'm bulgaria. I annex ALL of the balkan within 2 years via decision button. There is no way to lose them as a puppet.

[AggroBuLLeT]

Originally posted by apudzuf:

The reason this conference is a bust is because AI puppets generally don't bid on anything unless it's a core or claim for themselves or on behalf of an ally. In this case, neither Romania nor Yugoslavia have cores or claims on Hungary. Puppets with significant war participation will just waste it. You generally shouldn't involve puppets if you can help it.

If you gained your puppets through war, a better strategy here would have been to have annex part of Yugoslavia or Romania when you took them, allowing you to fight Hungary without involving the puppets; then after capping Hungary, release the annexed territory back to the puppet.

Originally posted by Fragoos:

You should have used your warscore to evenly divide those lands between your puppets. Build them up and lower autonomy

This wouldn't do anything to decrease the cost, since none of these states is claimed or cored by the OP's puppets. The only action that would decrease costs would be for the OP to annex one state per turn, starting from cheapest to most expensive, as this would apply influence cost modifiers on subsequent turns. Even then, with only 33% war participation, it likely wouldn't discount things enough to get everything.

Originally posted by HappySack:

also note that puppeting territory is cheaper than annexing.

Puppeting is cheaper only if you're communist. It's cheaper to annex when you're fascist, which the OP is in this case.

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

absolute garbo redesign of the peace conference. The point of having puppets is to let them fight and occupy stuff for you, so you don't have to do it yourself. Now this isn't viable anymore, since they dont give you war score like back in the day

Design flaw, probably, but you can make it work if you understand the mechanics. More info on the peace conference.

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

absolute no point in having puppets now whatsoever.

From the standpoint of just peace conferences perhaps, but there are other pros/cons of puppeting.

Nah I didn't get them through war. As bulgaria, you can press a decision button to puppet all of the balkans (yugo, greece, romania, turky and albania). and then after about 2 years you can annex and CORE all of them. That's why bulgaria is so fun.

I wanted to take hungary before they joined the axis. That's why I declared war on them. I never expected I could take only half of their country after completely defeating them. It makes no sense to me. I really don't like this new peace conference