Pacifying Ethiopia is hard

[Citizen X]

Playing Italy, Ive found this mission to be quite difficult to finish successfully. Obviously, its not impossible, but I have now spent two playthroughs with intention on getting this done.

Specifically: The province of Afar is quite hard to get over 60% compliance. It is the only province that does not get additional compliance from events.

Whats really important is the diminishing returns innate to Compliance; combined with the time limit on the mission creates a very fine balancing act when choosing Decisions and Focuses.

Ill take any tips from people who have successfully completed this mission. Yes, im aware that you can release Africa Orientale Italiana, but I want to try and reach 60% compliance.

[Aestholus]

How do your garrison templates look like and what occupation law do you use?

[chleb]

you could try doing collaboration goverments if its just afar, you could finish three collabs on them and then declare war (dont demand annexation)

[HappySack]

Is local police force not enough? if not then eat then manpower costs with civilian oversight.

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by Aestholus:

How do your garrison templates look like and what occupation law do you use?

Yes, it is the garrisons that have caused me to fail. An oversight on my part; thank you.

I created a Division with 1 single Light Tank Battalion, and set it as garrison. This saves me huge manpower and equipment, but I havent realized the full extent of its effects on compliance.

*** do you have a recommendation for good template?

My unfullfilled garrisons have taken my Colonial Police Compliance from -0.02% to -0.04% :o

Im short 12% compliance in Afar; 12 / 0.02 = 600 days before the mission expires, I need to switch some garrisons back to Cavalry.

Despite this oversight on my part, this Pacification still required 105 days over 3 Focuses that are otherwise avoidable. Total Cost in Political Power to Pacify is 260 with all Electrification Decisions and Leader Concessions added up, during the first two years of the game when Political Power is crucial.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3396197620

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by chleb:

you could try doing collaboration goverments if its just afar, you could finish three collabs on them and then declare war (dont demand annexation)

I considered releasing them as a Puppet. Collaboration on tiny Aussa is not worth the Civilian Factory cost

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by HappySack:

Is local police force not enough? if not then eat then manpower costs with civilian oversight.

I did the opposite; I created a Single Light Tank Battalion for the Garrison and left it unfulfilled. This brings the Damage to Garrisons down to, like 5 men. Total manpower loss over 12 months are in the low hundreds.

What I didnt realize, is that leaving them unfulfilled has doubled my penalty to Compliance. I simply need to switch back to Cavalry once Resistance is taken care of

[CH13F]

if its gonna be a long run and if i got no collaboration government established before the war, then i always run local police force until %35-40 compliance then switch to civilian oversight to save manpower.

communists can use liberated workers instead of local police force, its tiny bit better.

if resistance too high, nothing to do but picking other styles, like military governor, at least until resistance drops to mild levels.

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by CH13F:

if its gonna be a long run and if i got no collaboration government established before the war, then i always run local police force until %35-40 compliance then switch to civilian oversight to save manpower.

communists can use liberated workers instead of local police force, its tiny bit better.

if resistance too high, nothing to do but picking other styles, like military governor, at least until resistance drops to mild levels.

Yes, great advice. I need to switch to Civilian Oversight ASAP. Similarly, I need to switch my Garrison template once Resistance has diminished, OR I need to accept the Manpower and Equipment losses of a proper Garrison from day 1

[CH13F]

if allied with a major faction, like being in axis or allies, you can also ask garrison support, its not a sure thing but if they accept it helps.

on my last campaign i asked thrice from soviets and they gave me around total 350k manpower, larger than my army or my spare manpower pool lulz.

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by CH13F:

if allied with a major faction, like being in axis or allies, you can also ask garrison support, its not a sure thing but if they accept it helps.

on my last campaign i asked thrice from soviets and they gave me around total 350k manpower, larger than my army or my spare manpower pool lulz.

That is another fantastic idea. Great recommendation. Unfortunately, I make my own faction as Italy. If a player were to join Axis early on, they could potentially get some support from Germany.

[shinybaconbird]

just release them as puppet trough new emperor of Ethiopia bru it completes the mission to pacify them it also helps later on by giving less fronts to fight on as you can call them into the war when you feel is the best time

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by shinybaconbird:

just release them as puppet trough new emperor of Ethiopia bru it completes the mission to pacify them it also helps later on by giving less fronts to fight on as you can call them into the war when you feel is the best time

Bait

There are no other fronts for me to fight on. As Clauswitz points out "War is a continuation of politics by other means"

I used Diplomacy to get Austria and Hungary into my Faction with Bulgaria and Puppet Yugoslavia. I used war to get Puppet Governments in Greece and Romania. Germany has taken care of France.

There are no other fronts. I have purposefully taken care of all other fronts, so that I can use all my forces to conquer Egypt. Then, Ill march down to South Africa, where I have been Boosting Fascism for 3 years and staged a coup.

Before you know it, im staging my fleets off the Horn of South Africa and forcing United Kingdom to use the Panama Canal to reach India and the Middle East

[Aestholus]

Originally posted by Citizen X:

Originally posted by Aestholus:

How do your garrison templates look like and what occupation law do you use?

Yes, it is the garrisons that have caused me to fail. An oversight on my part; thank you.

I created a Division with 1 single Light Tank Battalion, and set it as garrison. This saves me huge manpower and equipment, but I havent realized the full extent of its effects on compliance.

*** do you have a recommendation for good template?

My unfullfilled garrisons have taken my Colonial Police Compliance from -0.02% to -0.04% :o

Im short 12% compliance in Afar; 12 / 0.02 = 600 days before the mission expires, I need to switch some garrisons back to Cavalry.

Despite this oversight on my part, this Pacification still required 105 days over 3 Focuses that are otherwise avoidable. Total Cost in Political Power to Pacify is 260 with all Electrification Decisions and Leader Concessions added up, during the first two years of the game when Political Power is crucial.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3396197620

If you have enough equipment go for light tanks or armored cars.
I prefer 1 cavalry divisions though because i don't use either of them in my other divisions.
One other thing did you capitulate Ethiopia before Haile Selassia fled the country?

[Citizen X]

Originally posted by Aestholus:

If you have enough equipment go for light tanks or armored cars.
I prefer 1 cavalry divisions though because i don't use either of them in my other divisions.
One other thing did you capitulate Ethiopia before Haile Selassia fled the country?

Thank you for the recommendation. Maybe I will use up all my L3s until they run out, and then switch to 1 Cavalry. What are your manpower and equipment losses looking like with this 1 Cav battalion?

Yes. I have always tried to finish Ethiopia as quickly as I possibly can (record since BBA is March 6th). However, I am reconsidering my Focus Tree order that may allow me to stay an extra 70 days, and push the "Pacify Ethiopia" deadline further out

Which would you recommend? Do you grind XP in Ethiopia or try to finish ASAP?

[Aestholus]

Originally posted by Citizen X:

Originally posted by Aestholus:

If you have enough equipment go for light tanks or armored cars.
I prefer 1 cavalry divisions though because i don't use either of them in my other divisions.
One other thing did you capitulate Ethiopia before Haile Selassia fled the country?

Thank you for the recommendation. Maybe I will use up all my L3s until they run out, and then switch to 1 Cavalry. What are your manpower and equipment losses looking like with this 1 Cav battalion?

Yes. I have always tried to finish Ethiopia as quickly as I possibly can (record since BBA is March 6th). However, I am reconsidering my Focus Tree order that may allow me to stay an extra 70 days, and push the "Pacify Ethiopia" deadline further out

Which would you recommend? Do you grind XP in Ethiopia or try to finish ASAP?

An Ethiopian government in exile can potentially reduce your compliance growth speed by 20%,
10% through an advisor and 10% through an continuous focus.

I did a test run

Ethiopia capitulated 10 Mai 1936 i iused the regular cavalry template and colonial police as soon as i got it until compliance reached 20 in each state.
I switched to civilian oversight after that to maximise compliance.
(3k manpower loses in 1936 1k in 1937 even with only cavalry)

The focus "New Emperor of Ethiopia" gives you 10% growth speed and some compliance so I took it early.
For the "Topple Amhara Rulers" Focus I also waited for 20% compliance in each state.
Take every +compliance event and wait for the 15% Compliance decisions until the states reach 40-45%.

I finished on 8 February 1938 most states had over 70% compliance at that point.