Supply Hub 20k construction COST??

[Walter]

And the Civ Factory is a little over 10k???
What?
Do you know what a supply hub is??

Supply hub is literally anything that got a roof on top of it to protect the equipment from the element such as cold,snow,rain and weather.

My house can be a supply hub, the warehouse few blocks of me can be a supply hub…. WHY, just WHY will this cost 20k of construction COST?!?!???

[The Merchant Guild]

I think its their attempt at balancing as the game would be very very easier for japan and Germany if they would just get supply everywhere quickly.

You can take a decision to get 300% build speed for them but its not always available dont know what its trigger is

[Blind]

Originally posted by Walter:

And the Civ Factory is a little over 10k???
What?
Do you know what a supply hub is??

There are honestly only a few cases where it's needed to build a supply hub. There are other cheaper alternatives that can probably do the job you need. 1, switching your supply priority from horses to motorized or extra motorized is a massive game changer. Just make sure you have enough trucks. 2, naval bases are pretty affordable and build fast. This in combination with motorized supplies will help you conquer 90% of the world in hoi4. Air supply is very very limited and expensive. Think of an air wing for air supply only being able to supply 1 or 2 divisions. The final option is to have a reserve force, waiting on supply hubs close to the front line but not close enough to vacuum needed supplies to your actual front line. When your front line troops begin to attrition and not push, bring your reserves to the front line and then afterwards pull your tired soldiers back to the resting point to resupply and reorg. This tactic works very well with larger armies but may be difficult when you can barely fill the frontlines to begin with. My final tip is to just consider all these options BEFORE you focus on building a supply hub. If you need to build one, asses the proper placement to maximize range bonus so you dont have to build multiples that overlap.

[CH13F]

it s twice the cost of a mil.

a military factory with all the sensitive machinery in it, yes.
while a supply hub is either a gigantic shed or a parking lot.

this s why i dont bother building one anymore. Just ignore hubs.

[Brucato]

Well its more than just a shed. It involves train depots and maintenance yards, Possibly cranes to offload equipment, refrigerated buildings for perishables, Motor pools and maintenance buildings, administration buildings, etc.
Admittedly I dont have the experience that you perhaps have, but I dont see how one can ignore using hubs unless you are fighting a small nation like Netherlands where Germany's hubs would suffice. But in Ethiopia where the terrain is mountainous and the infrastructure is non existent, an extended conflict would be very difficult, I would think. Like China or the Soviet Union.

[Big [REDACTED] Marty]

Originally posted by The Merchant Guild:

I think its their attempt at balancing as the game would be very very easier for japan and Germany if they would just get supply everywhere quickly.

You can take a decision to get 300% build speed for them but its not always available dont know what its trigger is

the trigger, is being a minor nation

[General WVPM]

Just use mods. A supply hub is just an ammo dump next to a road and railroad.

Railroads & ports should be much more expensive.

In vanilla, hug the coast and build ports.

[velvetcrabman]

I never know whether to laugh or cry when I see this type of thread. The suspicion is that using the word "hub" makes folks think of something small.

This:

Originally posted by CH13F:

while a supply hub is either a gigantic shed or a parking lot.

Our typical Army Group being supplied by said hub is the equivalent of a city the size of Ottowa. Oddly, all the warehouses, stockrooms and rail yards in Ottowa are rather bigger than "gigantic shed or a parking lot"

For a major "supply hub" you're not just talking daily expenditure items either but up to one or two months reserve of everything in case supply delivery falls short, e,g, Dec' '44 the Normandy "hub" had over 600,000 long tons of supply stockpiled

If anything the "hub"s are way under priced in terms of production cost.

(Might be worth any of you thinking a large shed would do the job of supplying even a division with all its needs going and talking to a current or ex serviceman, we can normally do with a good belly laugh)

[CH13F]

Originally posted by velvetcrabman:

I never know whether to laugh or cry when I see this type of thread. The suspicion is that using the word "hub" makes folks think of something small.

This:

Originally posted by CH13F:

while a supply hub is either a gigantic shed or a parking lot.

Our typical Army Group being supplied by said hub is the equivalent of a city the size of Ottowa. Oddly, all the warehouses, stockrooms and rail yards in Ottowa are rather bigger than "gigantic shed or a parking lot"

For a major "supply hub" you're not just talking daily expenditure items either but up to one or two months reserve of everything in case supply delivery falls short, e,g, Dec' '44 the Normandy "hub" had over 600,000 long tons of supply stockpiled

If anything the "hub"s are way under priced in terms of production cost.

(Might be worth any of you thinking a large shed would do the job of supplying even a division with all its needs going and talking to a current or ex serviceman, we can normally do with a good belly laugh)

dont you think you re talking about extreme cases and world superpowers. we "normal" folks all around world has to do with much more makeshift solutions. not every country's single state border as long as entire maginot line.

and none of us surely gonna pull the biggest naval landing in history of warfare. which btw was a product of consortium of most powerful countries of an era.

regardless of all, just tell me which is much more expensive:

-building a single production line
or
-fencing a single area which you can dump your all vehicles,equipment and ammo. (and no we arent talking about high tech fireproof buildings with lotta guard posts and cctv)

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then again, disregard all been said and discussed, purely for gameplay purposes:

do you think its fair to ask same construction cost for a hub from a minor with few states and a small army compared to a major? not even going to mention available starting civs. why both countries require same size hub to start with.

[General WVPM]

Originally posted by velvetcrabman:

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That's a depot. Those depots have a buffer of supply.

In game we have supply hubs which are nothing more than a train to truck transfer point. Trains can dump supply anywhere along the railroad irl. You don't even need a train station for that.

[Walter]

This is just stupid!!!

Any civilian building or anything that has a roof few KM away from the front can be a supply hub!!

IT SHOULDN’T even cost 5k to build!

Supply hub cost MORE than military factory and civilian factories, THATS just insane!

[General WVPM]

Originally posted by Walter:

This is just stupid!!!

Any civilian building or anything that has a roof few KM away from the front can be a supply hub!!

IT SHOULDN’T even cost 5k to build!

Supply hub cost MORE than military factory and civilian factories, THATS just insane!

Play hoi3, there infrastructure alone provides supply.

[Big [REDACTED] Marty]

Originally posted by General WVPM:

Originally posted by velvetcrabman:

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That's a depot. Those depots have a buffer of supply.

In game we have supply hubs which are nothing more than a train to truck transfer point. Trains can dump supply anywhere along the railroad irl. You don't even need a train station for that.

i do think railroads should give a small amount of supply like rivers, but how much would be hard to balance in practice because right now railways are comically cheap

[Pira]

I'd be fine with it costing as much as it does but it takes way way way too long to actually build.

[lostiam]

I work at a 'hub' surveying started in April 1941, work started the next year then fully completed in 1943. Over 20,000 staff were required to run it. They don't get built overnight.