Hearts of Iron IV

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1006037466 18 FEB a las 22:20
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Please treat the recent extreme behavior of the Chinese community with a reasonable attitude请路人合理看待近期中文社区的极端表现
为什么我们会如此极端,甚至不惜破坏整个讨论环境,最跟本的原因就在于官方对我们一直以来的述求的漠视,甚至于控评,污蔑。正常的述求无法得到反馈,好声好气和你讨论你就装傻充愣,逼的中国玩家激进了又开始绕过来说我们极端,完全是避重就轻,不谈我为什么激进,只谈我激进的表现,稍微出格一点就删评警告,不去解决问题,反而去解决提出问题的人。我已经受过了官方那“被害者”的嘴脸。既然它认为我们是施暴者,我们就以施暴者的手段对待它。
如果你作为路人因因为我们的行为感到困扰,我提前说声“抱歉”。但请你们知道,我们只是在回应官方,乃至社区中一直以来对我们的恶意。
The most basic reason why we are so extreme, even at the risk of destroying the entire discussion environment, is that the authorities have ignored our long-standing demands, and even went so far as to criticize and slander us. Normal requests cannot get feedback, and you pretend to be stupid when discussing with you in a friendly manner. When the Chinese players are forced to be radical, they start to say that we are extreme. They are completely avoiding the main point and focusing on the trivial. They don’t talk about why I am radical, but only talk about my radical performance. If I go a little bit out of line, they will delete the comments and warn me. Instead of solving the problem, they will solve the problem of the person who raised the problem. I have already suffered the official’s "victim" face. Since it thinks we are perpetrators, we will treat it with the means of perpetrators.
If you as a passerby are bothered by our behavior, I say "sorry" in advance. But please know that we are just responding to the malice that has been directed at us by the authorities and even the community.
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Publicado originalmente por Lothrialin:
They have the right to express their feelings as customers who paid for their meals

♥♥♥♥♥, I like how this restaurant metaphor reveals that chinese players are actually just karens - if they don't get exactly what they want then they will throw a temper tantrum to ruin the experience of everybody else, just how they would in a mcdonalds if they get 97 fries instead of 100
Before we entered this paid restaurant, we had already reserved the 100 fries that should have been ours by right. However, once inside, the server gave us only 90 (just as our national territory should have been, but the P company deliberately cut off a piece).
We have been gently asking for the fries that we should have received, but the other party has consistently refused. If it were you, wouldn't you be angry? Or do you simply not care about those "fries" that you should have gotten?
When you toughened your stance a bit, the server immediately called security and shouted, "Hey! Look at this guy! Totally making a scene! Kick him out!"
Haha, isn't that just hilarious?
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:12 
Publicado originalmente por 鱼糕(鸽):
Publicado originalmente por Stensson:

♥♥♥♥♥, I like how this restaurant metaphor reveals that chinese players are actually just karens - if they don't get exactly what they want then they will throw a temper tantrum to ruin the experience of everybody else, just how they would in a mcdonalds if they get 97 fries instead of 100
Before we entered this paid restaurant, we had already reserved the 100 fries that should have been ours by right. However, once inside, the server gave us only 90 (just as our national territory should have been, but the P company deliberately cut off a piece).
We have been gently asking for the fries that we should have received, but the other party has consistently refused. If it were you, wouldn't you be angry? Or do you simply not care about those "fries" that you should have gotten?
When you toughened your stance a bit, the server immediately called security and shouted, "Hey! Look at this guy! Totally making a scene! Kick him out!"
Haha, isn't that just hilarious?
>Buys game about WW2, an era in which China did not include Tibet
>Buys DLC about India, Iran and Afghanistan, which will include a-historical things but only for India, Iran and Afghanistan
>Looks inside
>No ahistorical things for China
>Complains about this being an insult to national territory
1006037466 19 FEB a las 1:13 
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
Publicado originalmente por LotusLLL:

Ignoring Chinese players' voice is racism. They did, they are doing now. So you deserve it.
They'll ignore you whether you're Chinese, British, Australian, American, Field-Marshallian or Airwingois. But good on you for claiming they deserve death threats for making an alt-historical option in a video game, real good argument there.
首先,你真的觉得我们会隔着两个大洲去一个游戏公司投放死亡威胁吗?我说不相信。如果官方不给出相应的证据,我会视为这是对我们的污蔑。
First of all, do you really think we would send death threats to a gaming company across two continents? I don't believe it. If the authorities don't provide corresponding evidence, I will regard it as a slander against us.
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:14 
Publicado originalmente por 1006037466:
Publicado originalmente por Stensson:

♥♥♥♥♥, I like how this restaurant metaphor reveals that chinese players are actually just karens - if they don't get exactly what they want then they will throw a temper tantrum to ruin the experience of everybody else, just how they would in a mcdonalds if they get 97 fries instead of 100
既然你都说的这么极端了,那我也就破罐子破摔了,没错,我们在就是在向一个明面上服务所有人,实际上却充满歧视的餐馆游行示威。凭什么东亚人只能拿到97份薯条,我们热爱这个游戏,所以之前不断的在宽容它,但不代表我们不会被激怒。而且我们现在已经不是追究差的三份薯条的问题了,而是连要份餐巾纸都做不到,这是我不能接受的。
Since what you said is so extreme, I have to give up. Yes, we are demonstrating against a restaurant that apparently serves everyone, but is actually full of discrimination. Why can East Asians only get 97 servings of fries? We love this game, so we have been tolerating it before, but that doesn't mean we won't be angry. And now we are no longer asking for the three bad fries, but we can't even ask for a napkin, which I can't accept.
More apt version if we have to use your weird ethinic comparison, you're at the back of the queue waiting for your extra servings of fries, alongside a Frenchman, Brit, Yank and an Irishman. The German guy up front already got his extra fries, the Indian who is next in line got some and you noticed that he got a type of fries you really like.

Instead of waiting your turn, you instead get your friends and start screaming death threats at the waiter and racism toward the Indian guy. And this is apparently reasonable?
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:15 
Publicado originalmente por 1006037466:
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
They'll ignore you whether you're Chinese, British, Australian, American, Field-Marshallian or Airwingois. But good on you for claiming they deserve death threats for making an alt-historical option in a video game, real good argument there.
首先,你真的觉得我们会隔着两个大洲去一个游戏公司投放死亡威胁吗?我说不相信。如果官方不给出相应的证据,我会视为这是对我们的污蔑。
First of all, do you really think we would send death threats to a gaming company across two continents? I don't believe it. If the authorities don't provide corresponding evidence, I will regard it as a slander against us.
Yes, yes I would.

People send death threats for all sorts of stupid things these days online.
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:19 
Publicado originalmente por 牢真 最强王者:
Here's a polished translation of your critique into English:

"The fundamental reason for Chinese players' criticism stems from Paradox's double standards. Your persistent refusal to acknowledge China's core claims in the South Tibet region (Arunachal Pradesh) while arbitrarily removing a Steam Workshop mod that granted Swedish core claims to all nations - under the pretext of combating racism - exposes glaring hypocrisy.

If HOI4 is truly meant to be a "neutral strategy/wargame simulation" and "alternate history sandbox" as Paradox claims, why selectively police content only when Western nations are involved? This selective enforcement reveals that your purported principles of historical neutrality conveniently disappear when non-Western perspectives are at play."
India is a western nation?
LotusLLL 19 FEB a las 1:19 
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
Publicado originalmente por LotusLLL:

Ignoring Chinese players' voice is racism. They did, they are doing now. So you deserve it.
They'll ignore you whether you're Chinese, British, Australian, American, Field-Marshallian or Airwingois. But good on you for claiming they deserve death threats for making an alt-historical option in a video game, real good argument there.

No they won't. After Leviathan they always hear the voices from the community. I guess you are Australian (or at least you are from a developed country), so you don't realize what Paradox did to Chinese (Either mainland or Taiwan, the Tibet problem holds for both of them) players.

They spent several years, peacefully on Tibet issue. Now with the rework of India, most of them become radical. Only doing these things will the Paradox no longer stay silent.
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:20 
Publicado originalmente por LotusLLL:
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
They'll ignore you whether you're Chinese, British, Australian, American, Field-Marshallian or Airwingois. But good on you for claiming they deserve death threats for making an alt-historical option in a video game, real good argument there.

No they won't. After Leviathan they always hear the voices from the community. I guess you are Australian (or at least you are from a developed country), so you don't realize what Paradox did to Chinese (Either mainland or Taiwan, the Tibet problem holds for both of them) players.

They spent several years, peacefully on Tibet issue. Now with the rework of India, most of them become radical. Only doing these things will the Paradox no longer stay silent.
So where are my old air wings? And doing these things won't make paradox change, it'll just get the people making death threats banned.
1006037466 19 FEB a las 1:20 
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
Publicado originalmente por 1006037466:
既然你都说的这么极端了,那我也就破罐子破摔了,没错,我们在就是在向一个明面上服务所有人,实际上却充满歧视的餐馆游行示威。凭什么东亚人只能拿到97份薯条,我们热爱这个游戏,所以之前不断的在宽容它,但不代表我们不会被激怒。而且我们现在已经不是追究差的三份薯条的问题了,而是连要份餐巾纸都做不到,这是我不能接受的。
Since what you said is so extreme, I have to give up. Yes, we are demonstrating against a restaurant that apparently serves everyone, but is actually full of discrimination. Why can East Asians only get 97 servings of fries? We love this game, so we have been tolerating it before, but that doesn't mean we won't be angry. And now we are no longer asking for the three bad fries, but we can't even ask for a napkin, which I can't accept.
More apt version if we have to use your weird ethinic comparison, you're at the back of the queue waiting for your extra servings of fries, alongside a Frenchman, Brit, Yank and an Irishman. The German guy up front already got his extra fries, the Indian who is next in line got some and you noticed that he got a type of fries you really like.

Instead of waiting your turn, you instead get your friends and start screaming death threats at the waiter and racism toward the Indian guy. And this is apparently reasonable?
这对我们而言不是额外的薯条,而是本应属于我们的,另外你觉得二战游戏,中国还没有西藏,不应该有西藏核心,这是错误的,如果你要实控,那确实没有,但那样的话应该把德国阿尔萨斯的核心去掉(这不是dlc里加的核心),世界上其他国家也应把核心一些核心去除。
This is not an extra fry for us, but something that should belong to us. Also, you think that in a WWII game, China doesn't have Tibet yet, so there shouldn't be a Tibet core. This is wrong. If you want actual control, then there really isn't one, but in that case, the German Alsace core should be removed (this is not the DLC Riga core), and other countries in the world should also have some of their cores removed.
Aluvard 19 FEB a las 1:21 
Publicado originalmente por 牢真 最强王者:
Here's a polished translation of your critique into English:

"The fundamental reason for Chinese players' criticism stems from Paradox's double standards. Your persistent refusal to acknowledge China's core claims in the South Tibet region (Arunachal Pradesh) while arbitrarily removing a Steam Workshop mod that granted Swedish core claims to all nations - under the pretext of combating racism - exposes glaring hypocrisy.

If HOI4 is truly meant to be a "neutral strategy/wargame simulation" and "alternate history sandbox" as Paradox claims, why selectively police content only when Western nations are involved? This selective enforcement reveals that your purported principles of historical neutrality conveniently disappear when non-Western perspectives are at play."
You should also add that mod had death threats aimed toward Paradox developers thus modder broke Steam TOS and got axed.
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:22 
Publicado originalmente por 1006037466:
Publicado originalmente por Carolean:
More apt version if we have to use your weird ethinic comparison, you're at the back of the queue waiting for your extra servings of fries, alongside a Frenchman, Brit, Yank and an Irishman. The German guy up front already got his extra fries, the Indian who is next in line got some and you noticed that he got a type of fries you really like.

Instead of waiting your turn, you instead get your friends and start screaming death threats at the waiter and racism toward the Indian guy. And this is apparently reasonable?
这对我们而言不是额外的薯条,而是本应属于我们的,另外你觉得二战游戏,中国还没有西藏,不应该有西藏核心,这是错误的,如果你要实控,那确实没有,但那样的话应该把德国阿尔萨斯的核心去掉(这不是dlc里加的核心),世界上其他国家也应把核心一些核心去除。
This is not an extra fry for us, but something that should belong to us. Also, you think that in a WWII game, China doesn't have Tibet yet, so there shouldn't be a Tibet core. This is wrong. If you want actual control, then there really isn't one, but in that case, the German Alsace core should be removed (this is not the DLC Riga core), and other countries in the world should also have some of their cores removed.
Yeah, I actually agree that cores have gone too far and have reached power-wank in way to many cases.

You might actually have had me arguing on your side if, you know, said side made a reasoned argument and didn't resort to spam, death threats, justifying said threads and racism.
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>Buys game about WW2, an era in which China did not include Tibet
>Buys DLC about India, Iran and Afghanistan, which will include a-historical things but only for India, Iran and Afghanistan
>Looks inside
>No ahistorical things for China
>Complains about this being an insult to national territory [/quote]
govern four counties in Lhasa, namely Medog, Milin, Linzhi and Gongbujiangda, Bomi and Chayu counties in Qamdo area, Langxian county in Shannan area, and it was located in Bayi Town, Linzhi county (approved by the State Council on October 8, 1983). In 1986, Xizang Autonomous Region abolished the Gyangze area, and the six counties under its jurisdiction, namely Yadong, Kangma, Gamba, Gyangze, Renbu and Bailang, were placed in Shigatse area; Langkazi County was placed in Shannan area (approved by the State Council on September 12, 1986). Tibet has been a part of China for a long time. How can you say that China did not include Tibet at that time?

In 1271, the Mongolian Khan Kublai Khan designated the title of the country as Yuan, and Wusi Zang (now the central and western parts of Tibet) and Duogan became part of the unified multi-ethnic Great Yuan Empire. Since then, Tibet has been formally brought under the direct jurisdiction of the central government of China. After the Yuan Dynasty unified China, according to the actual situation in Tibetan areas, A series of far-reaching administrative measures have been taken: For the first time, the General Institution of the Central Organization (renamed Xuanzhengyuan in 1288) was set up to take charge of Buddhist affairs throughout the country and military and political affairs in Tibet and other places. The ambassador (official in charge) of the Xuanzheng Academy is usually concurrently appointed by the Prime Minister, and the deputy ambassador is appointed by the monk recommended by the Imperial Master. In Tibet, people were surveyed, post offices were set up, taxes were collected, troops were stationed, officials were appointed, and the criminal law and calendar of the Yuan Dynasty were promulgated in Tibet. Appoint Tibetan monks and nuns as senior officials from the central government to the local government. The establishment, appointment, dismissal, promotion, reward and punishment of administrative institutions in Wusizang and Duogan are all subject to the central authorities. Dividing the local administrative regions of Tibet. In the Yuan Dynasty, the Central Committee set up three departments of propaganda and comfort ambassadors in Tibetan areas, all of which were directly under the management of Xuanzhengyuan. This is what the Tibetan history books call "three districts". As far as the region of today's Xizang Autonomous Region is concerned, it was under the jurisdiction of two of them at that time-now Lhasa, Shannan, Shigatse and Ali are under the jurisdiction of the Xuanwei Department of Uszang; The area around Changdu and the eastern part of Naqu City are under the jurisdiction of Dogan Xuanwei. In the Yuan Dynasty, accounts were checked in Wusi Tibetan and other places, officers were established, taxes were levied, post stations were established, troops were stationed, and the frontier was guarded. The Wusi Zang Xuan Wei Department is located in Saskatchewan (now Sakya, Tibet), with 130 households and several thousand households, and taxes are levied. Among them, the division of administrative regions in the Yuan Dynasty became the basis for the evolution of administrative divisions in Tibet. Ming dynasty Main entries: the history of Tibetan governance in the Ming Dynasty, the Eight Kings of Tibet, and the Wusi Tibetan Division.   25 Zhang Xizang In 1368, the Ming Dynasty took the place of the Yuan Dynasty and made a peaceful transition by collecting the old seals of the Yuan Dynasty and replacing them with new seals of the Ming Dynasty, thus inheriting the national sovereignty over Tibet. The Ming Dynasty did not follow the official system of the Yuan Dynasty, but established a unique system of conferring monk officials. Representatives of political and religious leaders in different places were given different titles in the Ming Dynasty, and they were given seals and seals, ordering them to manage their respective places. The succession of their positions must be approved by the emperor, and all of them can be named directly to the son of heaven. In terms of administrative divisions and the establishment of military and political institutions, the Ming Dynasty basically inherited the arrangement of the Yuan Dynasty in Tibet. In the Yuan Dynasty, Wusicang Xuanwei Division and Duogan Xuanwei Division were established, and in the Ming Dynasty, Wusicang and Duogan were established as two Wei Commanders and Marshal House of Russia. Later, Wusizang and Duogan were upgraded to the command department of the city, which consisted of the command department, the propaganda department, the recruitment department, the Wanhufu, the Qianhusuo and other institutions. Officials of military and political institutions at all levels have appointed local monks and secular leaders as their posts. The appointment, removal and promotion of officials at all levels were directly decided by the Central Committee of the Ming Dynasty, and seals were awarded. Qing dynasty Main entries: history of Tibetan governance in Qing Dynasty, ministers stationed in Tibet, Panchen Erdene, golden urn lot, Dalai Lama. In 1644, the Qing Dynasty made Beijing its capital.  Dalai V appeared before the emperor shunzhi. And then unify China. The Qing Dynasty exercised sovereignty in Tibet according to historical conventions. As long as the officials sealed by the former dynasty sent the seal of the old dynasty, they were given the seal of the new dynasty, and their original status remained unchanged. In 1652, the fifth Dalai Lama, a Gelug Sect of Tibetan Buddhism, was called to Beijing to meet the emperor shunzhi, the ancestor of the Qing Dynasty, and was officially conferred by the Qing Dynasty the following year. Later, the Fifth Panchen Lama was conferred the title of Emperor Kangxi. The titles of the Dalai Lama and Panchen Erdene and their political and religious status in Tibet were formally established. Since then, the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama have been canonized and customized by the central government. In 1727, yongzheng emperor officially established the Minister in Tibet to handle Tibet affairs. On the basis of summing up the experience of Tibet management in Yuan and Ming Dynasties, the Qing Dynasty made major and comprehensive adjustments according to the actual situation and changes in the situation, such as: setting up a minister stationed in Tibet to take charge of all Tibet; Adjust the local political and religious management system in Tibet; Conferring the names of Dalai Lama and Panchen Erdene, and determining the system of drawing lots for golden urn; Establish the principle that the decision-making power of local foreign-related affairs and border defense in Tibet belongs to the central government; Demarcate the boundaries between Tibet and Qinghai, Sichuan and Yunnan; It stipulates the jurisdiction and authority of the Dalai Lama and Panchen Erdene, and divides the direct jurisdiction of the ministers stationed in Tibet. Republic of China period Main entry: Tibet. The Revolution of 1911 overthrew the feudal monarchy, and the Republic of China was established the following year. The Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China clearly stipulates that Tibet is one of the 22 provinces of the Republic of China. Since then, the Constitution and other laws and regulations have clearly stipulated that Tibet is a part of the Republic of China. In July 1912, the government of the Republic of China established the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Bureau (renamed the Mongolian and Tibetan Institute in May 1914), and appointed the chief of the central office in Tibet, directly under the Premier of the State, to perform the duties of the Qing Dynasty's minister in Tibet. In 1929, the Mongolian and Tibetan Institute was transformed into the Mongolian and Tibetan Committee. In April 1940, the Mongolia-Tibet Committee set up an office in Tibet in Lhasa as an agency of the central government in Tibet. The 14th Dalai Lama's identification and bed-sitting was also approved by the then National Government of the Republic of China. A large number of archives records during the Republic of China prove that representatives from all previous congresses, the highest organs of state power, national deliberative bodies or national congresses during the Republic of China, the Dalai Lama, the local government of Tibet and the Panchen Erdene all attended, and were elected or appointed to various state offices to participate in the management of state affairs. Communist party of China period Main entry: Tibet's peaceful liberation and the 17-article agreement  Peaceful liberation and democratic reform in Tibet In October 1950, the 18th Army of China People's Liberation Army liberated Qamdo [9]. On May 23, 1951, the Central People's Government and the local government of Tibet signed the Agreement between the Central People's Government and the local government of Tibet on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (commonly known as the 17-Article Agreement). Tibet was peacefully liberated. On February 9, 1955, the seventh plenary session of the State Council adopted the Decision of the State Council on the Establishment of preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region. On April 22nd, 1956, preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region was formally established by holding its inaugural meeting in Lhasa. The Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso is the chairman, panchenerdinichokyigyaltsen panchenerdiniqoigyigya is the first vice chairman and Zhang Guohua is the second vice chairman. Ngapoi Ngawangjigme is the Secretary-General. On March 10, 1959, Tibetan local government and upper-level reactionary groups openly tore up the 17-Article Agreement on the peaceful liberation of Tibet and held an armed rebellion in Lhasa. On March 17, the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa; On March 22, the battle of Lhasa ended successfully, and the rebellion in Lhasa city was completely shattered; On March 28th, Premier Zhou Enlai of the State Council issued an order to dissolve the local government in Tibet, and preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region exercised the functions and powers of local government in Tibet. In view of the fact that the Dalai Lama, director of the Xizang Autonomous Region Preparatory Committee, is still being kidnapped, Vice Chairman panchenerdinichokyigyaltsen panchenerdiniqoigyigya will act as the chairman, and Pagbalha Geleg Namgyai and Ngapoi Ngawangjigme, standing members of the Preparatory Committee, will be appointed as the vice chairmen. On July 17th, the same year, the second plenary meeting of preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region closed. The meeting adopted the Resolution on Democratic Reform in Tibet. The Central People's Government and the Xizang Autonomous Region Preparatory Committee decided to comply with people in Xizang's wishes and carry out democratic reform in Tibet ahead of schedule.  Xi Jinping participated in the deliberation of the Tibet delegation On July 24th, 1965, preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region submitted the Request for Instructions on the Formal Establishment of Xizang Autonomous Region to the State Council. On August 23rd, Premier Zhou personally presided over the 158th plenary meeting of the State Council, discussed preparatory committee for the tibet autonomous region's request for instructions, agreed to hold the first meeting of the First People's Congress of Xizang Autonomous Region on September 1st, 1965, formally established Xizang Autonomous Region, and put forward corresponding proposals to the National People's Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC). On August 25th of the same year, the 15th meeting of the National People's Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) approved the the State Council bill and adopted the resolution on the establishment of Xizang Autonomous Region. On September 1st, the first meeting of the First People's Congress of Xizang Autonomous Region was held in Lhasa. A central delegation headed by Xie Fuzhi, Deputy Prime Minister of the State Council, attended the meeting and expressed congratulations. The General Assembly elected the People's Committee of Xizang Autonomous Region on the 8th. Ngapoi Ngawangjigme was elected Chairman of the People's Committee of the Autonomous Region. Seven people, including Zhou Renshan and Pagbalha Geleg Namgyai, are vice-chairmen. On September 9th, the closing ceremony of the conference was held, and the Xizang Autonomous Region was officially proclaimed. In 1960, Xizang Autonomous Region (to be established) established Lhasa City (special level). It has jurisdiction over 9 counties including Linzhou, Dangxiong, Dazi, Qushui, Mozhugongka, Nimu, Duilongdeqing and Pangduo. Set up Naqu area, which governs 9 counties: Heihe, Baqing, Bango, Rue, Amdo, Nie Rong, Suo County, Damu Sakya and Shenzha; Set up the Qamdo area, which governs 12 counties: Qamdo, Jiangda, Gongjue, Anning, Luolong, Dingqing, Bianba, Chaya, Sangangqu, Basu, Leiwuqi and Zuogong; Shannan region was established to govern 12 counties including Naidong, Sangri, Jiacha, Langxian, Lagarie, Longzi, Cuona, Zhegu, Poor Knot, Luozha, Gongga and Zhanang. Set up the Gyangze area, which governs six counties: Gyangze, Renbu, Langkazi, Dalong, Bailang and Yadong; Set up the Xigaze Special Zone, which governs 11 counties of Xigaze, Nanmulin, Dingjie, Sakya, Lasi, Dingri, Nyalam, Geelong, Saga, Angren and Xietongmen; Set up Ali area, which governs 7 counties of Gaer, Ritu, Geji, Gaize, Zhongba, Pulan and Zada; Establish Linzhi area, which governs Linzhi, Medog, Gongbu Jiangda, Seba, Bomi, Milin and Jiali counties. (ratified by the State Council on 7 January 1960) In 1964, Xizang Autonomous Region (to be established) abolished Linzhi District, and its four counties, Linzhi, Milin, Gongbujiangda and Medog, were placed under Lhasa City. Jiali county is classified as Naqu area; Bomi county was placed under the jurisdiction of Changdu Special Zone (approved by the State Council on July 27, 1964); The Gyangze area was abolished, and Langkazi County under its jurisdiction was placed in Shannan area; The five counties of Gyangze, Kangma, Renbu, Yadong and Bailang were assigned to Shigatse (approved by the State Council on October 31, 1964). In 1970, the districts in Xizang Autonomous Region were renamed as regions. Xizang Autonomous Region has jurisdiction over 1 prefecture-level city, 5 regions and 71 counties. In 1983, Xizang Autonomous Region established the Gyangze area, which governs six counties of Yadong, Kangma, Gamba, Gyangze, Renbu and Bailang in Shigatse area, Langkazi County in Shannan area, and is located in Gyangze Town of Gyangze County. Linzhi area was established to govern four counties in Lhasa, namely Medog, Milin, Linzhi and Gongbujiangda, Bomi and Chayu counties in Qamdo area, Langxian county in Shannan area, and it was located in Bayi Town, Linzhi county (approved by the State Council on October 8, 1983). In 1986, Xizang Autonomous Region abolished the Gyangze area, and the six counties under its jurisdiction, namely Yadong, Kangma, Gamba, Gyangze, Renbu and Bailang, were placed in Shigatse area; Langkazi County was placed in Shannan area (approved by the State Council on September 12, 1986). Tibet has been a part of China for a long time. How can you say that China did not include Tibet at that time?
Carolean 19 FEB a las 1:28 
Peaceful liberation and democratic reform in Tibet In October 1950, the 18th Army of China People's Liberation Army liberated Qamdo [9]. On May 23, 1951, the Central People's Government and the local government of Tibet signed the Agreement between the Central People's Government and the local government of Tibet on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (commonly known as the 17-Article Agreement). Tibet was peacefully liberated.
So how exactly does one liberate something they already controlled?
Aluvard 19 FEB a las 1:32 
Publicado originalmente por 鱼糕(鸽):
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Simple:
The Tibetan Ganden Phodrang regime was a protectorate under Qing rule until 1910 when the Qing dynasty decided to assert greater control over the region. In 1912 the provisional government of the Republic of China (ROC) succeeded the Qing and received an imperial edict inheriting the claims over all of its territories. However, the newly formed ROC was unable to assert any real authority in Tibet.
The 13th Dalai Lama declared that Tibet's relationship with China ended with the fall of the Qing dynasty and proclaimed independence, although this was not formally recognized by other countries. Tibet and Outer Mongolia signed a disputed treaty proclaiming mutual recognition of their independence from China.

Tibet was part of China up to 1912 as protectorate. Ceased to be part of China and became an independent country in 1912-1951; was annexed by PRC in 1951.
Within the timeframe of the game it's independent (I'm pretty sure that PRC has focus allowing them to attack Tibet).
Última edición por Aluvard; 19 FEB a las 1:32
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Publicado originalmente por 杨威利的红茶:
Siberia get the core of the northeastern Chinese province in an update that had nothing to do with it. This is also one of the reasons why Chinese players are angry. At the root of it, they are worried about "unfairness". Adding a core only takes about five minutes of work and does not affect any other work.
Have a nice day.:steamhappy:
So instead of creating the thread on main Paradox forums and asking when China will be reworked (like people who asked for years for rework of Germany), people decided that mass spam + death threats will convince Paradox to your point of view?

More than likely it nuked plans for such DLC in nearest future.
I have never posted any death threats and spam bro.
The reason for this incident is that the anger of the CHN player community exploded. The radicals have thoroughly defeated the moderates, because they have found that the moderate proposals of the moderates have not been answered at all.
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