Are they creating a separate version for Chinese market?

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So this game finally has a Steam page. Very nice. But looking at the screenshots, I noticed this:

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/394360/ss_910b6722a151f16ad5f7f07a2ada6425ac1fe04b.jpg?t=1440772188

Instead of Republic of China, it is People's Republic of China ruling all of the mainland China, when they actually controlled little territory at the time and were actually fighting against Chiang Kai Shek.

I guess it is because previous HoI games were banned in mainland China for depicting real history. Real history didn't sit well with those brainwashed, angry communists of the CPC and their propaganda. Any game which doesn't depict them as the ultimate saviours and rulers of the entire world of modern era, seems to get banned in China.

Paradox probably didn't want HoI4 to be banned there this time. So it seems they may've created another version for the Chinese market, which depicts communist China as the 'only' China in the game by taking out the historical Republic of China entirely.

Hopefully they create a normal version for us international folks. I would rather play the game with ROC and other historical entities, rather than a communist Chinese propaganda version twisting the history to it's favour. Hopefully Paradox will create such a version.

[Gamer_1745]

I think you are reading too much into the screenshot. I think it is form one of the many in-house alpha-test games where communist China defeated Nat. China. If you look closely it has the Warlord factions which the PRC complain about.

[E]

Maybe you are right. Probably they made this screenshot as a way to show that this game allows enough sandbox and alternate history, as in PRC winning the Chinese Civil War early before Japanese invasion.

[Barge]

This seems more like it is advertising the alternate history possibilities within this game, which is a huge selling point to anyone who knows how railroaded HoI3 is.

[Lord Oscar]

You don't have to worry. Devs use the console to be able to take screenshots. In the forums they use it to declare war in 1936 or to show a fascist Great Britain.
Also ALL the HOI games have been banned in China, so they are not even trying because it's a lot of trouble to do a chinese only version of the game. The only thing they do in order to stop bans is remove every swastika on the game because of some countries laws (Germany)

[Kevin Kerman]

u have worried too much. HOI doesn't even have chinese language support. for the chinese market, chinese players who want to play this game on steam will buy this game here. but without chinese language support and also because of the price, most chinese players will just download the cracked version (with chinese language support) from their own forums.

[Barge]

引用自 Sir Oscar：

You don't have to worry. Devs use the console to be able to take screenshots. In the forums they use it to declare war in 1936 or to show a fascist Great Britain.
Also ALL the HOI games have been banned in China, so they are not even trying because it's a lot of trouble to do a chinese only version of the game. The only thing they do in order to stop bans is remove every swastika on the game because of some countries laws (Germany)

I don't think this is using console commands/cheats. Look at one of the later screenshots. It shows the soviet union as blue, and the PRC as Green on a diplomatic mapmode. I think this was a multiplayer dev game, and the USSR player supported the PRC, or perhaps it was not MP, and the USSR A.I helped the PRC.

[E]

It could be a multiplayer dev alpha test game indeed, where someone played PRC and won against ROC. Blue Soviets? Now that is something I'll have to look right away.

Who knows, these might be temporary placeholder screenshots until they add real ones.

[Lord Oscar]

引用自 BattleSarge：

引用自 Sir Oscar：

You don't have to worry. Devs use the console to be able to take screenshots. In the forums they use it to declare war in 1936 or to show a fascist Great Britain.
Also ALL the HOI games have been banned in China, so they are not even trying because it's a lot of trouble to do a chinese only version of the game. The only thing they do in order to stop bans is remove every swastika on the game because of some countries laws (Germany)

I don't think this is using console commands/cheats. Look at one of the later screenshots. It shows the soviet union as blue, and the PRC as Green on a diplomatic mapmode. I think this was a multiplayer dev game, and the USSR player supported the PRC, or perhaps it was not MP, and the USSR A.I helped the PRC.

What I meant was that devs usualy use the console to take screenshots, see:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-19th-development-diary-3rd-of-july-2015.867684/

Fascist UK on 3 january 1936. Ofcourse the chinese screenshot could be a MP game

[Barge]

引用自 Priyon：

It could be a multiplayer dev alpha test game indeed, where someone played PRC and won against ROC. Blue Soviets? Now that is something I'll have to look right away.

Who knows, these might be temporary placeholder screenshots until they add real ones.

No. Not blue soviets. It is the diplomatic mapmode. Blue signifies ally, green signifies selected nation.

[E]

引用自 BattleSarge：

引用自 Priyon：

It could be a multiplayer dev alpha test game indeed, where someone played PRC and won against ROC. Blue Soviets? Now that is something I'll have to look right away.

Who knows, these might be temporary placeholder screenshots until they add real ones.

No. Not blue soviets. It is the diplomatic mapmode. Blue signifies ally, green signifies selected nation.

Ah, diplo map mode then. They have updated it in this game it seems. All previous Paradox games use different shades of green to depict selected nation apart from their allies and vassals.

[Angry Video Game Noob]

Victoria III confirmed?
Also, Mao overtook China only in 1949 - no surprise chineese capitalistic pigs had lost whole the country to Japan before WWII even began.

[E]

引用自 Angry Video Game Noob：

Victoria III confirmed?
Also, Mao overtook China only in 1949 - no surprise chineese capitalistic pigs had lost whole the country to Japan before WWII even began.

To be honest, the same thing happened to India under the British after the end of the Mughal Empire, that happened to China after the end of Qing Empire.

The only difference is that China remained independent in name, and that Japan failed to invade India.

[Barge]

引用自 Angry Video Game Noob：

Victoria III confirmed?
Also, Mao overtook China only in 1949 - no surprise chineese capitalistic pigs had lost whole the country to Japan before WWII even began.

From my understanding of history they only lost Manchuria. And they weren't exactly 'capitalistic pigs' rather than a bunch of warlord states, a democracy, and a proletariat dictatorship

[Peking Duckman]

There's nothing democratic about Chiang Kai-shek's dictatorship, in fact his government was very statist and nationalistic.

[Peking Duckman]

引用自 Priyon：

So this game finally has a Steam page. Very nice. But looking at the screenshots, I noticed this:

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/394360/ss_910b6722a151f16ad5f7f07a2ada6425ac1fe04b.jpg?t=1440772188

Instead of Republic of China, it is People's Republic of China ruling all of the mainland China, when they actually controlled little territory at the time and were actually fighting against Chiang Kai Shek.

I guess it is because previous HoI games were banned in mainland China for depicting real history. Real history didn't sit well with those brainwashed, angry communists of the CPC and their propaganda. Any game which doesn't depict them as the ultimate saviours and rulers of the entire world of modern era, seems to get banned in China.

Paradox probably didn't want HoI4 to be banned there this time. So it seems they may've created another version for the Chinese market, which depicts communist China as the 'only' China in the game by taking out the historical Republic of China entirely.

Hopefully they create a normal version for us international folks. I would rather play the game with ROC and other historical entities, rather than a communist Chinese propaganda version twisting the history to it's favour. Hopefully Paradox will create such a version.

Riiight, and Westerners never rewrite history or deify people right? Like depicting figures like Winston Churchill as some sort of war god who single-handedly won WWII while neglecting his role in the Bengal famine which killed millions? While you're at it, the previous HOI games also incorrectly uses the German Imperial flag for Nazi Germany, and various Chinese warlord cliques are not independent countries. Furthermore, none of the game bans are even official or enforceable, and you really think the government is going to people's houses to search for copies of HOI? LMAO.

And you can push all the orientalist stereotypes against the Chinese all you want, but speaking as someone who has actually been there, there's plenty of debate and discussion of historiography among both academics and civilians, especially regarding to the issue of the roles of KMT and CCP during the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War. Calling all Chinese "brainwashed communists" shows how shallow the Western perception of China really is.