How much expansion is possible as democratic Mexico?

[JinxHeartnet]

Since I don't want to fight the US as fascist or communist Mexico, I was thinking of doing a Catholic democratic run with as much expansion Southward as possible. I was wondering if this sequence of events would be possible, preferably by 1942ish:

1. Take the focus to form the Synarchist Pact in order to unlock wargoals and cores on Central America and the Caribbean in the tree below.
2. Disband the Synarchist Pact and go down the Royal Dutch Shell path to join the Allies.
3. Conquer and core Central America and the Caribbean (have to do this after joining the Allies because of the stupid world tension rule for joining.)
4. Purchase Belize from the UK.
5. Demand Caribbean possessions from the US, UK, France and Netherlands (what makes it more likely for them to accept? My strength, me being in their faction, or their opinion of me?)

Basically by the end, I wanna have all of Central America and the Caribbean cored without having to go to war with any majors.

[AdmiralPiett]

Definition of "wanting to have your cake and eat it too"

[JinxHeartnet]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Definition of "wanting to have your cake and eat it too"

What's wrong with that? The democratic Germany tree still lets you annex Austria, parts of Poland and go to war with the USSR. I'm not gonna play pretend like Mexico with zero expansion is fun game play, nor is fighting the US as a country that starts off with no research into tanks, planes or artillery. Admittedly I have managed to do 90% of the work in defeating Britain and America as Bulgaria who starts off similarly weak, but Bulgaria doesn't have a border with America.

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Definition of "wanting to have your cake and eat it too"

What's wrong with that? The democratic Germany tree still lets you annex Austria, parts of Poland and go to war with the USSR. I'm not gonna play pretend like Mexico with zero expansion is fun game play, nor is fighting the US as a country that starts off with no research into tanks, planes or artillery.

So you think the US would've just given Mexico carte blanche to take whatever they wanted in Central America?

You think that Mexico would've ended up super expansionist AND stayed democratic?

[JinxHeartnet]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

What's wrong with that? The democratic Germany tree still lets you annex Austria, parts of Poland and go to war with the USSR. I'm not gonna play pretend like Mexico with zero expansion is fun game play, nor is fighting the US as a country that starts off with no research into tanks, planes or artillery.

So you think the US would've just given Mexico carte blanche to take whatever they wanted in Central America?

You think that Mexico would've ended up super expansionist AND stayed democratic?

Did the Allies not forgive the USSR for annexing Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, half of Poland and parts of Romania and Finland? And they weren't even democratic, I also don't think the US would lose 3 million men fighting with no supply in the Congo but that's still what they do every game.

Again I'm not trying to waste my time debating what's realistic, I'm merely asking what is the RNG of Britain accepting the sale of Belize and the Allies accepting the withdrawal of their Carribean territories. I already know conquering Central America as democratic Mexico in the Allies is possible, because I've done it before.

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

So you think the US would've just given Mexico carte blanche to take whatever they wanted in Central America?

You think that Mexico would've ended up super expansionist AND stayed democratic?

Did the Allies not forgive the USSR for annexing Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, half of Poland and parts of Romania and Finland? And they weren't even democratic, I also don't think the US would lose 3 million men fighting with no supply in the Congo but that's still what they do every game.

Again I'm not trying to waste my time debating what's realistic, I'm merely asking what is the RNG of Britain accepting the sale of Belize and the Allies accepting the withdrawal of their Carribean territories. I already know conquering Central America as democratic Mexico in the Allies is possible, because I've done it before.

Comparing possible Allied responses to the Soviet annexation of the Baltics against the impact of American influence on Central and South America via the Monroe Doctrine is quite simply comparing apples to oranges, friend. They're nowhere near similar.

If you already know it's possible, why'd you ask the question?

[JinxHeartnet]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

Did the Allies not forgive the USSR for annexing Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, half of Poland and parts of Romania and Finland? And they weren't even democratic, I also don't think the US would lose 3 million men fighting with no supply in the Congo but that's still what they do every game.

Again I'm not trying to waste my time debating what's realistic, I'm merely asking what is the RNG of Britain accepting the sale of Belize and the Allies accepting the withdrawal of their Carribean territories. I already know conquering Central America as democratic Mexico in the Allies is possible, because I've done it before.

Comparing possible Allied responses to the Soviet annexation of the Baltics against the impact of American influence on Central and South America via the Monroe Doctrine is quite simply comparing apples to oranges, friend. They're nowhere near similar.

If you already know it's possible, why'd you ask the question?

I can't believe I'm explaining this a second time: I said I'm asking for the RNG for the offer to purchase Belize and the demand for Carribean possessions. Anyways it doesn't matter because I just did it, it's possible. Democratic Mexico, in the Allies, conquered and cored all of Central America including Belize, and democratic Panama joined the Axis because this game is stupid and makes no sense which is exactly why I said debating realistic Allied responses to aggression is pointless. HOI4 AI Allies will have nothing to say about democratic Mexico conquering everything down to Chile, but they will start WW3 and sacrifice 30 million lives over a Venezuelan invasion of Liberia.

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Comparing possible Allied responses to the Soviet annexation of the Baltics against the impact of American influence on Central and South America via the Monroe Doctrine is quite simply comparing apples to oranges, friend. They're nowhere near similar.

If you already know it's possible, why'd you ask the question?

I can't believe I'm explaining this a second time: I said I'm asking for the RNG for the offer to purchase Belize and the demand for Carribean possessions. Anyways it doesn't matter because I just did it, it's possible. Democratic Mexico, in the Allies, conquered and cored all of Central America including Belize, and democratic Panama joined the Axis because this game is stupid and makes no sense which is exactly why I said debating realistic Allied responses to aggression is pointless. HOI4 AI Allies will have nothing to say about democratic Mexico conquering everything down to Chile, but they will start WW3 and sacrifice 30 million lives over a Venezuelan invasion of Liberia.

So what you're saying is that Mexico should instead be kicked out of the Allies and declared war on by the Allies for trying to build a South American Empire. Got it. I would support that change as it makes more realistic sense in an alt-history scenario.

Additionally, if you as Democratic (or any other ideology for that matter) Mexico declare war on a nation like Panama WHILE YOU ARE IN THE ALLIES, it makes PERFECT sense that your victim Panama would go running into the arms of the alliance DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO the Allies (the Axis) and the Axis would take them under their wing. I don't see how that's the game being "stupid", it's Panama and the Axis taking the logical response to an Allied Mexico invasion of Panama.

PLENTY of nations were members of alliances IRL that theoretically did not conform to their values or government types. Fascist Spain was in NATO. Several absolute monarchies were in the Western Allies. Democratic Finland was basically in the Axis. Monarchist/"nonaligned" Thailand was in the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Communist China was in the United Front with the Nationalists. Communist Yugoslavia joined the Non-Aligned Movement instead of the Comintern. It's about what makes sense for your foreign policy overall, not just joining up on "Team Fascism". "Team Communism", or "Team Democracy".

[JinxHeartnet]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by JinxHeartnet:

I can't believe I'm explaining this a second time: I said I'm asking for the RNG for the offer to purchase Belize and the demand for Carribean possessions. Anyways it doesn't matter because I just did it, it's possible. Democratic Mexico, in the Allies, conquered and cored all of Central America including Belize, and democratic Panama joined the Axis because this game is stupid and makes no sense which is exactly why I said debating realistic Allied responses to aggression is pointless. HOI4 AI Allies will have nothing to say about democratic Mexico conquering everything down to Chile, but they will start WW3 and sacrifice 30 million lives over a Venezuelan invasion of Liberia.

So what you're saying is that Mexico should instead be kicked out of the Allies and declared war on by the Allies for trying to build a South American Empire. Got it. I would support that change as it makes more realistic sense in an alt-history scenario.

Additionally, if you as Democratic (or any other ideology for that matter) Mexico declare war on a nation like Panama WHILE YOU ARE IN THE ALLIES, it makes PERFECT sense that your victim Panama would go running into the arms of the alliance DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO the Allies (the Axis) and the Axis would take them under their wing. I don't see how that's the game being "stupid", it's Panama and the Axis taking the logical response to an Allied Mexico invasion of Panama.

PLENTY of nations were members of alliances IRL that theoretically did not conform to their values or government types. Fascist Spain was in NATO. Several absolute monarchies were in the Western Allies. Democratic Finland was basically in the Axis. Monarchist/"nonaligned" Thailand was in the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Communist China was in the United Front with the Nationalists. Communist Yugoslavia joined the Non-Aligned Movement instead of the Comintern. It's about what makes sense for your foreign policy overall, not just joining up on "Team Fascism". "Team Communism", or "Team Democracy".

The fact that you just unironically used the word "non-aligned" to describe a real country's government IRL shows how much of a Paradox shill you are, you're getting so triggered because I'm pointing out how stupid this game is X) I like this game, I've played it for over 2,300 hours over 4 years, it's still a stupid ass game that makes no sense most of the time. There's a difference between authoritarian Spain (not fascist) being in a defensive alliance and democratic Panama with one division throwing in with Nazi Germany to go to war with America and Great Britain when all they were faced with was fighting Mexico, not to mention the idea that Germany would give a ♥♥♥♥ whether Panama dies to Mexico or not as I didn't even call the Allies into my war. There isn't a single thing in this meme game that's even slightly realistic or accurate to WW2, and I'm fine with that to an extent as it allows for meme playthroughs like this.

Bulgaria is another example. If you do the IMRO focus that removes Greece's cores on Thrace and Macedonia, leave the Axis, declare war on Germany and join the Allies (despite demanding occupation of Yugoslavia from Italy and Germany, wiping one of the Allied nations off the map) you can demand occupation of Thrace and Macedonia from Greece as they are now a faction member occupying non-core states. And Greece will immediately accept. Like I said, this game is a stupid meme. Objectively.