What template, combat width, and tank design would I need to do in order to get a really powerful heavy tonk division

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

I have started playing this game again after taking a break for a while and found out that 40w and 20w are now obsolete, whenever I use heavy tanks they always have around 200-400 soft attack, 200-300 hard attack, and about 200 breakthrough. These stats don't really seem worth it to me for the greatly increased cost when I could just make really good 25w infantry coupled with air superiority and CAS.

Keep in mind, I'm not really concerned with how optimal it is to build heavy tanks. I know there are much better and cheaper options. I just want to LARP 1944 Bagration Soviets and steamroll everyone with KV-1's and see really big numbers when I click the green bubble. I also would prefer my template to have some sort of SPAA so that I don't have to build an airforce at all.

I'm also curious because I watch a lot of MP videos like Bokoen1 and Dankus Memecus where they build super awesome tank divisions with 1000+ stats across the board, but these are also modded games that change the combat width I'm pretty sure and some other things also and I'm wondering if this is replicable in vanilla?

[Bored Peon]

There is no obsolete width. All the developers did was tweak the system where 20w and 40w was no longer the meta use by players.

You also seem to forget that 200-300 damage in the template designer is just base stats. You are not factoring in unit levels, general levels, general perks, tactics choices, etc.

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

I also would prefer my template to have some sort of SPAA so that I don't have to build an airforce at all.

Good luck with that. I bet you change you mind after the third or fourth nuke.

[DWI_Suriil]

Its a 36-40 wht , Good Sir. You want a big ass Tank division with big ass numbers to ♥♥♥♥ the ♥♥♥♥ out of defensive lines.
You want 30+ org (you get around 34-35 with doctrines) , so they last in battle.
Attack , armor,break ...you want it all HIGH , but numbers are variables , depending on what year are you in the game.

https://ibb.co/j4q48Y5
This is the generic tank division , jack of all trades I use on Germany and on USSR in PVE and PVP.
8 Mediums ,8 Mechanized , 1 tank destroyer and 1 anti AA (MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!)
Numbers you see are relative for 1939 germany,

And here good sire a tank template
https://ibb.co/0hwtMYy
Its a very basic , not the best one , for sure. But it will do until you learn the game.

Here is your tank destroyer , the ! you put in
https://ibb.co/sHKSjCV

Your anti Air tank
https://ibb.co/qY9Pfgf

And last ,but not least FLAAAMEN PANZZZZEEEER
https://ibb.co/Lk4bYPF
The on you put into SUPPORT company.

ITS NOT THE BEST. Its a basic thing you can kick from , to learn better the game.
There are far better moduls for tanks that are a MUST pick , like fast repaires , etc.
But you need to discover it yourself , play with etc.

[DWI_Suriil]

''I could just make really good 25w infantry coupled with air superiority and CAS ''
Only idiots or China players attack with infantry.

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by DWI_Suriil:

''I could just make really good 25w infantry coupled with air superiority and CAS ''
Only idiots or China players attack with infantry.

My mistake

Originally posted by DWI_Suriil:

Its a 36-40 wht , Good Sir. You want a big ass Tank division with big ass numbers to ♥♥♥♥ the ♥♥♥♥ out of defensive lines.
You want 30+ org (you get around 34-35 with doctrines) , so they last in battle.
Attack , armor,break ...you want it all HIGH , but numbers are variables , depending on what year are you in the game.

https://ibb.co/j4q48Y5
This is the generic tank division , jack of all trades I use on Germany and on USSR in PVE and PVP.
8 Mediums ,8 Mechanized , 1 tank destroyer and 1 anti AA (MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!)
Numbers you see are relative for 1939 germany,

And here good sire a tank template
https://ibb.co/0hwtMYy
Its a very basic , not the best one , for sure. But it will do until you learn the game.

Here is your tank destroyer , the ! you put in
https://ibb.co/sHKSjCV

Your anti Air tank
https://ibb.co/qY9Pfgf

And last ,but not least FLAAAMEN PANZZZZEEEER
https://ibb.co/Lk4bYPF
The on you put into SUPPORT company.

ITS NOT THE BEST. Its a basic thing you can kick from , to learn better the game.
There are far better moduls for tanks that are a MUST pick , like fast repaires , etc.
But you need to discover it yourself , play with etc.

thank you for the help

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

There is no obsolete width. All the developers did was tweak the system where 20w and 40w was no longer the meta use by players.

You also seem to forget that 200-300 damage in the template designer is just base stats. You are not factoring in unit levels, general levels, general perks, tactics choices, etc.

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

I also would prefer my template to have some sort of SPAA so that I don't have to build an airforce at all.

Good luck with that. I bet you change you mind after the third or fourth nuke.

Well I mean, the whole point is that I steamroll everyone with the heavy tanks so that they have no bases to nuke me

[Biggs]

if you no like the combat width restrictions,
then edit terrain.txt and set all combat width for all terrain to 500
and supporting attack width to 100 like i do

[luftatmer]

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

Well I mean, the whole point is that I steamroll everyone with the heavy tanks so that they have no bases to nuke me

I understand full well, but keep in mind that not even the biggest economy will be able to produce tanks in huge numbers. Tanks come as a spear head, but the bulk of your army will always be infantry.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by luftatmer:

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

Well I mean, the whole point is that I steamroll everyone with the heavy tanks so that they have no bases to nuke me

I understand full well, but keep in mind that not even the biggest economy will be able to produce tanks in huge numbers. Tanks come as a spear head, but the bulk of your army will always be infantry.

Last I checked airplanes out range heavy tanks.

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by luftatmer:

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

Well I mean, the whole point is that I steamroll everyone with the heavy tanks so that they have no bases to nuke me

I understand full well, but keep in mind that not even the biggest economy will be able to produce tanks in huge numbers. Tanks come as a spear head, but the bulk of your army will always be infantry.

yeah i understand, thats why i asked what the best template was so I can use my resources the best

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by luftatmer:

I understand full well, but keep in mind that not even the biggest economy will be able to produce tanks in huge numbers. Tanks come as a spear head, but the bulk of your army will always be infantry.

Last I checked airplanes out range heavy tanks.

The whole point of this wasn't to find out whether air is better than a heavy tank division, I already know air is the better option.

[AdmiralPiett]

People trying to bring meta back I see

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

People trying to bring meta back I see

nah, not really

just want some advice on how to make divisions that are good

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

People trying to bring meta back I see

nah, not really

just want some advice on how to make divisions that are good

I meant how your original post caused people like this:

Originally posted by DWI_Suriil:

Its a 36-40 wht , Good Sir. You want a big ass Tank division with big ass numbers to ♥♥♥♥ the ♥♥♥♥ out of defensive lines.
You want 30+ org (you get around 34-35 with doctrines) , so they last in battle.
Attack , armor,break ...you want it all HIGH , but numbers are variables , depending on what year are you in the game.

https://ibb.co/j4q48Y5
This is the generic tank division , jack of all trades I use on Germany and on USSR in PVE and PVP.
8 Mediums ,8 Mechanized , 1 tank destroyer and 1 anti AA (MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!)
Numbers you see are relative for 1939 germany,

And here good sire a tank template
https://ibb.co/0hwtMYy
Its a very basic , not the best one , for sure. But it will do until you learn the game.

Here is your tank destroyer , the ! you put in
https://ibb.co/sHKSjCV

Your anti Air tank
https://ibb.co/qY9Pfgf

And last ,but not least FLAAAMEN PANZZZZEEEER
https://ibb.co/Lk4bYPF
The on you put into SUPPORT company.

ITS NOT THE BEST. Its a basic thing you can kick from , to learn better the game.
There are far better moduls for tanks that are a MUST pick , like fast repaires , etc.
But you need to discover it yourself , play with etc.

when people start saying "generic", "jack of all trades", etc etc, that's when my alarm bells go off

[ukrainian_tractor_driver]

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

nah, not really

just want some advice on how to make divisions that are good

I meant how your original post caused people like this:

Originally posted by DWI_Suriil:

Its a 36-40 wht , Good Sir. You want a big ass Tank division with big ass numbers to ♥♥♥♥ the ♥♥♥♥ out of defensive lines.
You want 30+ org (you get around 34-35 with doctrines) , so they last in battle.
Attack , armor,break ...you want it all HIGH , but numbers are variables , depending on what year are you in the game.

https://ibb.co/j4q48Y5
This is the generic tank division , jack of all trades I use on Germany and on USSR in PVE and PVP.
8 Mediums ,8 Mechanized , 1 tank destroyer and 1 anti AA (MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!)
Numbers you see are relative for 1939 germany,

And here good sire a tank template
https://ibb.co/0hwtMYy
Its a very basic , not the best one , for sure. But it will do until you learn the game.

Here is your tank destroyer , the ! you put in
https://ibb.co/sHKSjCV

Your anti Air tank
https://ibb.co/qY9Pfgf

And last ,but not least FLAAAMEN PANZZZZEEEER
https://ibb.co/Lk4bYPF
The on you put into SUPPORT company.

ITS NOT THE BEST. Its a basic thing you can kick from , to learn better the game.
There are far better moduls for tanks that are a MUST pick , like fast repaires , etc.
But you need to discover it yourself , play with etc.

when people start saying "generic", "jack of all trades", etc etc, that's when my alarm bells go off

how so?

[AdmiralPiett]

Originally posted by ukrainian_tractor_driver:

Originally posted by AdmiralPiett:

I meant how your original post caused people like this:


when people start saying "generic", "jack of all trades", etc etc, that's when my alarm bells go off

how so?

Because pushing "generic" and "jack of all trades" templates is basically saying there's "one right template", which is a division template meta coming back after PDX did so well a couple DLCs ago to kill division template metas because they were killing the spirit of the game. Hoards of sweaty minmaxer optimization tryhards going around telling everyone there's one right way to play and taking any sort of individual fun or historical roleplay out of the game in order to turn it into a meta-filled map painting sim