Hearts of Iron IV

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Every game end in an endless stalemate
I've been playing HOI4 intermittently for nearly a decade. I’m no strategy genius and my only playstyle is simply to outproduce the enemy and win through attrition. But lately, every single game ends in an infuriating stalemate, and it seems like the AIs always have endless manpower and equipment and fuel. It’s gotten to the point where in every war, once the initial push is stopped, grinds to a halt and drags on till 1948, at which point I just stopped playing

In my last game: the Romanian-Hungary war dragged on from '39 without any faction involvement, with Hungary perpetually on the brink of capitulation. No movement in the frontline until I stopped paying attention post-1945. Or the Peru-Chile war, stuck in the same deadlock. And the Soviets, after steamrolling two Baltic countries, got stuck in Estonia, lost 1.5 million troops without any shift in the frontlines until Germany declared war on them.

And my preferred war of attrition strategy? Completely impossible. I’ve used console commands to check on AIs. At ’45, Germany have 4million available manpower, 350k infantry equipment in stockpile, producing 3000 a week. Japan: 1.8million manpower, 130k infantry equipment. I edit the save file to delete all their equipment, check on Germany again 6months later: 150k infantry equipment in stockpile , keep in mind, this isn't even accounting for the equipment they used for reinforcements. No matter whether I play as a major power or simply observe, the war just drags on endlessly. I’ve never seen the game goes like what in the timelapse videos.
Is this just I have unrealistic expectations on this game or some mechanics of the game is fundamentally broken.
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Mack Jun 20, 2024 @ 6:55am 
Modern Tanks + Modern SPG + Mechanised + Medium Flamers Support + Logistics + Good Supply + Air Support = breakthroughs.

And if that doesn't work, get nukes, win air supremacy and drop nukes on any airfield you can hit.

Once you've smashed up their air, you can go in with heavy strategic bombing, then hit them with a landing of Amtrack & Amphibious Mediums.

If you're a country outside Europe you can ruin things for any European nation by building a navy and invading any country that is importing resources for the Europeans, and by building Sub 4's and sinking all their convoys.
Last edited by Mack; Jun 20, 2024 @ 6:55am
Originally posted by Mack:
Modern Tanks + Modern SPG + Mechanised + Medium Flamers Support + Logistics + Good Supply + Air Support = breakthroughs.

And if that doesn't work, get nukes, win air supremacy and drop nukes on any airfield you can hit.

Once you've smashed up their air, you can go in with heavy strategic bombing, then hit them with a landing of Amtrack & Amphibious Mediums.

If you're a country outside Europe you can ruin things for any European nation by building a navy and invading any country that is importing resources for the Europeans, and by building Sub 4's and sinking all their convoys.

Too get these technology it must be late game and a huge industry. So basically, before 45, the battlefield will always be deadlock.
This can help with battles I'm in but won't change the global situation if I'm just a small country. AIs will still end up in deadlocks. AIs can always cheat resource and equipment and manpower, so sinking convoys won't have a big impact.
Last edited by in all thy sons command; Jun 20, 2024 @ 7:06am
Mack Jun 20, 2024 @ 7:10am 
Not necessarily true, depending on how aggressive and how well you've setup your forces I find I regularly smash through enemy lines with simple medium tank divisions that have air cover.
King Ramses Jun 20, 2024 @ 1:32pm 
*picks USA*

*goes supier firepower and spam 40 width*

*win war* Lol
HappySack Jun 20, 2024 @ 1:42pm 
You need better template designs for your divisions to win, it also helps a lot to have total air control.

And if you have production to spare then tanks are your best tool.
Originally posted by HappySack:
You need better template designs for your divisions to win, it also helps a lot to have total air control.

And if you have production to spare then tanks are your best tool.

You guys still don't get it. I'm not asking how *I can win battles. I'm asking how to make AIs stop end up in deadlocks. I can't be at every front. I want to setup an industry and military and sit back and watch the AI fight the war. Right now, all wars end up in dead lock, no war can be over before '48.
Originally posted by Karl Franz:
*picks USA*

*goes supier firepower and spam 40 width*

*win war* Lol

First, you can't expect everyone picks the same country, choose the same doctrine every time. The game is not just about USA.

Second, picking USA won't win you the war if AIs just blatantly cheat. Germany has nearly 5 million manpower available at '45, never run out of fuel, produce 3000 infantry equip/ week but got a quarter million in just months. No USA can out produce that.
CaptainSpacetime Jun 20, 2024 @ 8:20pm 
Originally posted by in all thy sons command:
Originally posted by Karl Franz:
*picks USA*

*goes supier firepower and spam 40 width*

*win war* Lol

First, you can't expect everyone picks the same country, choose the same doctrine every time. The game is not just about USA.

Second, picking USA won't win you the war if AIs just blatantly cheat. Germany has nearly 5 million manpower available at '45, never run out of fuel, produce 3000 infantry equip/ week but got a quarter million in just months. No USA can out produce that.

The AI isn't cheating, you just aren't very good at the game
Zorlond Jun 21, 2024 @ 4:13am 
Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:
Originally posted by in all thy sons command:

First, you can't expect everyone picks the same country, choose the same doctrine every time. The game is not just about USA.

Second, picking USA won't win you the war if AIs just blatantly cheat. Germany has nearly 5 million manpower available at '45, never run out of fuel, produce 3000 infantry equip/ week but got a quarter million in just months. No USA can out produce that.

The AI isn't cheating, you just aren't very good at the game
He's not saying it's an issue of AI cheating. It's an issue that the AI cannot achieve victory without the player's intervention, and small economies can't intervene on every single front of every single war.
Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:
Originally posted by in all thy sons command:

First, you can't expect everyone picks the same country, choose the same doctrine every time. The game is not just about USA.

Second, picking USA won't win you the war if AIs just blatantly cheat. Germany has nearly 5 million manpower available at '45, never run out of fuel, produce 3000 infantry equip/ week but got a quarter million in just months. No USA can out produce that.

The AI isn't cheating, you just aren't very good at the game

I never said I'm good at this game and this is entirely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.
General WVPM Jun 22, 2024 @ 1:46am 
Probably supply issues. Get a mod that adds more supply hubs and railroads.
For example, my own mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2237515435
It's close to vanilla and aims to enrich it.
Last edited by General WVPM; Jun 22, 2024 @ 1:47am
Originally posted by in all thy sons command:
I've been playing HOI4 intermittently for nearly a decade. I’m no strategy genius and my only playstyle is simply to outproduce the enemy and win through attrition. But lately, every single game ends in an infuriating stalemate, and it seems like the AIs always have endless manpower and equipment and fuel. It’s gotten to the point where in every war, once the initial push is stopped, grinds to a halt and drags on till 1948, at which point I just stopped playing

In my last game: the Romanian-Hungary war dragged on from '39 without any faction involvement, with Hungary perpetually on the brink of capitulation. No movement in the frontline until I stopped paying attention post-1945. Or the Peru-Chile war, stuck in the same deadlock. And the Soviets, after steamrolling two Baltic countries, got stuck in Estonia, lost 1.5 million troops without any shift in the frontlines until Germany declared war on them.

And my preferred war of attrition strategy? Completely impossible. I’ve used console commands to check on AIs. At ’45, Germany have 4million available manpower, 350k infantry equipment in stockpile, producing 3000 a week. Japan: 1.8million manpower, 130k infantry equipment. I edit the save file to delete all their equipment, check on Germany again 6months later: 150k infantry equipment in stockpile , keep in mind, this isn't even accounting for the equipment they used for reinforcements. No matter whether I play as a major power or simply observe, the war just drags on endlessly. I’ve never seen the game goes like what in the timelapse videos.
Is this just I have unrealistic expectations on this game or some mechanics of the game is fundamentally broken.
I have over 1000 hours and I have never experienced a stalemate.

I always maintain initiative, always either on a defensive or an offensive. If I am not attacking then I am preparing to attack, if I am attacking then I will do so until the local objectives were achieved, I then prepare for the next offensive.

Bomb the hell out of the enemy, air supremacy and having a huge amount of soft attack works pretty much always. Lots of artillery, lots of supplies, let the enemy divisions shatter on your stone cold defensive lines and when they are recovering, punch back like Mike Tyson on methamphetamine would. eezy peezy.

In my opinion the AI is way to easy as it is, even with mods that make it more difficult.
Last edited by ᛁᛖᛊᚢᛊ ᚨᚱ ᚷᚢᛞ; Jun 22, 2024 @ 5:32am
Bishop-Six Jun 22, 2024 @ 6:28am 
Panzerbreakthroughs and encircling, rinse and repeat.

My biggest encirclement was as big as whole Belarus and i destroyed over 80 enemy Divisions at once.

After that you can basically just clean up.
Originally posted by Bishop-Six:
Panzerbreakthroughs and encircling, rinse and repeat.

My biggest encirclement was as big as whole Belarus and i destroyed over 80 enemy Divisions at once.

After that you can basically just clean up.
Those moments are legendary, they never get old :dazed_yeti:
Guys, you still don't get it. I'm not asking how YOU will beat the AI. I'm asking how let AIs finished the fight. I want to setup the stage and let AIs play, I will just sit back and enjoy. Like in those HOI4 timelapse video.
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Date Posted: Jun 20, 2024 @ 6:12am
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