'Ultimate Bundle'?

[FuriousGamerHD]

Hi Paradox, I bought the 'ultimate edition' of this game years ago, yet I still have to keep paying for DLC? What's 'ultimate edition' about that? Every other 'ultimate edition' game includes all DLC, even DLC's and expansion's brought out after the fact. You are just a slightly better EA with lesser resources. What's the difference between this game and the Sims? Seriously? EA releases an absolute barebones, skeletal and stripped version of the game, and you have to spend £100's to get the full game with all it's features and content so it's not barren. Paradox releases this game in a beta, unfinished state, and you have to pay £30+ a year (even when you've already bought the so called 'ultimate edition') each year - with the game still being incomplete, not thoroughly thought through and planned out, and still kinda barebones after all of it.

Don't you think it's as bit cheeky and misleading to require to keep spending money on DLC's and expansions for a game of which I supposedly own the 'Ultimate Edition' of? Sure, it's 2024 and now every company, developer and publisher doesn't release a 'full' and completely 'finished' game anymore, and releases DLC's and expansion's. But I own the 'ultimate edition'? What is the excuse and justification? And these expansion's and DLC's are not much better than the Sim's.

They contain barely anything, and do even less. Why is the game still after seven years lacking the ability to form 'super-factions' (Axis and Japanese East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere; The Allies and the Comintern) - an umbrella faction when factions are fighting on the same side which get's dissolved at the conclusion of said war with their common enemy, or if they go to war with each other - so these nations which were actually allied with each other can co-ordinate better. What about co-ordination with allies and other nations on diplomatic actions, offensives, planning and battle-planning, defence, naval invasions, production, supply etc... There is absolutely no mechanic or implementation of most of this in any real useful and meaningful and actual way. Why are these basic things not part of the game after many years, and what must be £100+ in DLC and expansions (plus the base game) after all this time and money. This is not good enough.

Thoughts?

Edit: It's been pointed out to me that it was the 'ultimate bundle' and not 'ultimate edition' - although these two things to me as synonymous and you can swap where I use the term 'ultimate edition' with 'ultimate bundle' and I believe my point largely remains the same and in tact.

[CaptainSpacetime]

did you just not read what was included?

imagining up that you were getting lifetime free DLC seems a bit odd.

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

did you just not read what was included?

imagining up that you were getting lifetime free DLC seems a bit odd.

I apologise profuesely for thinking that when I purchased the 'ultimate edition' of a game, that I was getting the/an ultimate edition of the/a game. And please tell me how i'm expecting lifetime content for a game for buying the ultimate edition? I'm expecting the ultimate version of the game - i.e the game and all it's content and releases. I'm not expecting it to be updated for the next 50 years. Don't straw-man what I said please. What game is supported and updated and added to for a 'lifetime'? It's just misleading and a bit slimy, especially when after-the-fact I have to keep spending money each year for the tiniest morsels of content and additions to the base game - which is lacking in depth.

[Immortalis]

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

did you just not read what was included?

imagining up that you were getting lifetime free DLC seems a bit odd.

I apologise profuesely for thinking that when I purached the 'ultimate edition' of a game, that I was getting the/an ultimate edition of the/a game. And please tell me how i'm expecting lifetime content for a game for buying the ultimate edition? I'm expecting the ultimate version of the game - i.e the game and all it's content and releases. I'm not expecting it to be updated for the next 50 years. Don't straw-man what I said please. What game is supported and updated and added to for a 'lifetime'? It's just misleading and a bit slimy, especially when after-the-fact I have to keep spending money each year for the tiniest morsels of content and additions to the base game - which is lacking in depth.

The ultimate edition contained the DLC that were released up to the point in time when it was made available. Nowhere did Paradox state that “new DLC will be added and/or included” so yes, it’s 100% your fault for not reading what you were buying and expecting something they never offered and/or promise.

That being said, if you don’t like the game you have basically two choices: leave and go play something you enjoy; or mod it to suit your vision.

And FYI, every single feature you listed about war coordination is already available in the game; the issue is that the AI isn’t as good as a human player at using those tools that, as a result are of any consequence only if you play multiplayer.

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

I apologise profuesely for thinking that when I purached the 'ultimate edition' of a game, that I was getting the/an ultimate edition of the/a game. And please tell me how i'm expecting lifetime content for a game for buying the ultimate edition? I'm expecting the ultimate version of the game - i.e the game and all it's content and releases. I'm not expecting it to be updated for the next 50 years. Don't straw-man what I said please. What game is supported and updated and added to for a 'lifetime'? It's just misleading and a bit slimy, especially when after-the-fact I have to keep spending money each year for the tiniest morsels of content and additions to the base game - which is lacking in depth.

The ultimate edition contained the DLC that were released up to the point in time when it was made available. Nowhere did Paradox state that “new DLC will be added and/or included” so yes, it’s 100% your fault for not reading what you were buying and expecting something they never offered and/or promise.

That being said, if you don’t like the game you have basically two choices: leave and go play something you enjoy; or mod it to suit your vision.

And FYI, every single feature you listed about war coordination is already available in the game; the issue is that the AI isn’t as good as a human player at using those tools that, as a result are of any consequence only if you play multiplayer.

That doesn't address what I said though does it?

Those features are not in the game, and the ones that are are poorly executed and done, and not well thought through nor integrated at all. You cannot do most of what I said, and you cannot do any of what I said usefully.

And there are only black and white scenarios when you like the game and spend lot's of money on it but have legitimate and justified points of consternation and criticism? You're unable to critique and point out the incompetence and greed and treatment of big game companies, developers and publishers as invested players? Have you ever heard of what a stakeholder is?

[Maya-Neko]

As others said, the ultimate bundle lists, what exact DLCs you get and nowhere is noted, that additional content will be free later on.

In that regard the word "ultimate" as a word is not protected by law, so it has no implications about what you actually get. It's up to you as a customer to make sure, that it suits your expectations, because there's not that much the devs could do to avoid this happening, when people don't read the discriptions.

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Sure, it's 2024 and now every company, developer and publisher doesn't release a 'full' and completely 'finished' game anymore, and releases DLC's and expansion's.

Define "full and finish" though. The base game can already be discribed that way, as it already is fully functional and anything else is added and optional content.

Or you could also call it "full and finish", when you've all current DLCs. By that standard that was the case, when you've bought the ultimate edition back then and since then it got more additions.

Otherwise, i personally rather have content trickle in one after another than having to buy a 200 € game at once. If you feel like that's the future you want, then you could also just wait for all DLCs being released.

Or do you just want them to have stopped like a few DLCs in? In that case, why not just sticking to what you already have? By any means, not having a DLCs won't make it less playable.

[CaptainSpacetime]

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

did you just not read what was included?

imagining up that you were getting lifetime free DLC seems a bit odd.

I apologise profuesely for thinking that when I purchased the 'ultimate edition' of a game, that I was getting the/an ultimate edition of the/a game. And please tell me how i'm expecting lifetime content for a game for buying the ultimate edition?

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Hi Paradox, I bought the 'ultimate edition' of this game years ago, yet I still have to keep paying for DLC?

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

I apologise profuesely for thinking that when I purchased the 'ultimate edition' of a game, that I was getting the/an ultimate edition of the/a game. And please tell me how i'm expecting lifetime content for a game for buying the ultimate edition?

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Hi Paradox, I bought the 'ultimate edition' of this game years ago, yet I still have to keep paying for DLC?

Well done, now read the rest of what I said.

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by Fighteraviator120:

wall of text

address the point instead of deflecting or ignoring the content of what I said by dismissing it rudely.

[Compdiff]

Sure you didnt buy the "Ultimate Bundle"
Might be Mandela effect

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

As others said, the ultimate bundle lists, what exact DLCs you get and nowhere is noted, that additional content will be free later on.

In that regard the word "ultimate" as a word is not protected by law, so it has no implications about what you actually get. It's up to you as a customer to make sure, that it suits your expectations, because there's not that much the devs could do to avoid this happening, when people don't read the discriptions.

Originally posted by FuriousGamerHD:

Sure, it's 2024 and now every company, developer and publisher doesn't release a 'full' and completely 'finished' game anymore, and releases DLC's and expansion's.

Define "full and finish" though. The base game can already be discribed that way, as it already is fully functional and anything else is added and optional content.

Or you could also call it "full and finish", when you've all current DLCs. By that standard that was the case, when you've bought the ultimate edition back then and since then it got more additions.

Otherwise, i personally rather have content trickle in one after another than having to buy a 200 € game at once. If you feel like that's the future you want, then you could also just wait for all DLCs being released.

Or do you just want them to have stopped like a few DLCs in? In that case, why not just sticking to what you already have? By any means, not having a DLCs won't make it less playable.

non of that adequately answers what I said though. I fully understand what you're saying and the others before you - but that's not the point; it's not the ultimate edition if they always just planned to supersede it with more DLC's and expansion's later on. An ultimate edition that doesn't include all the content of the game isn't an ultimate edition. Especially when it's clear that they planned (and did) release more content down the line. The wider point and bigger picture I guess is that I'm just protesting and registering my disgust at the greed and audacity that's commonplace and accepted within the gaming industry.

I think you're just too accepting of the practices that are commonplace with gaming companies. It won't get better - it will only get worse - while too many people just accept it passively or defend it. And i'm still awaiting my reply from Paradox.

[Compdiff]

Double check your purchase history to see it is "Ultimate Bundle"
From my recollection, they only ever had a "Starter Edition" and an "Ultimate Bundle"
But I drink a lot of red wine.

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by Compdiff:

Double check your purchase history to see it is "Ultimate Bundle"
From my recollection, they only ever had a "Starter Edition" and an "Ultimate Bundle"
But I drink a lot of red wine.

I've just checked, and you're absolutely correct. My bad, but I don't think that changes anything though, as it's literally just semantics - the principle and point at large remains the same.

[FuriousGamerHD]

Originally posted by Compdiff:

Sure you didnt buy the "Ultimate Bundle"
Might be Mandela effect

You're absolutely right about that. Not that it changes anything, because clearly these two terms are interchangeable or else I wouldn't have mixed it up.

[Immortalis]

Again, you are the one arguing about semantics.

The “ultimate bundle” was never offered as the “collection of all DLC, past, present and future”. They could have called it the “Commanding General Bundle” and it would have been exactly the same.

You expect an ultimate edition / bundle to do something that Paradox never said it would and that’s the sun of it. Next time read the actual description of the product instead of going “cool, with that title I’m getting everything they develop over the next ten years”

[1200V2]

You pay for something you don't own when you buy it?
There are no releases of a video game that transfers it's onwership to the buyer of the game.
So it does not matter what version you get. Because there is no ownership transfer.

So it pointless to think you own any version of a game.
It is a situation of the 'Emperors new clothes. But with video games.

In a fundamental way it is pointless to buy any game because you buy 'nothing' at an increasing price point.