Anyone like HoI3 more? Why?

[Viceroy Günther von Lichler]

Just curious. Considering learning it and trying it out, but i heard that the AI was somehow even worse there than in this one.

[KharnTheKhan]

Hoi3 feels like a more complete strategy game, Hoi4 feels like division editor/focus tree progressor

[Perc]

Originally posted by KharnTheKhan:

Hoi3 feels like a more complete strategy game, Hoi4 feels like division editor/focus tree progressor

I disagree, Hoi3 feels like a OOB organization simulator and the UI is far more clunky. It's telling when it's the only HoI game that lets you delegate whatever you want to the AI because it's too cumbersome otherwise lol. I'd rather play Hoi2 than the mess 3 was.

[coffeemm8]

Both have their pros and cons. Overall though I agree that 3 is too cumbersome

It’s also just too dated for me. Ironically HOI2 aged better

[bstangeby]

You had economy with cash. Got a swarm of trade offers as USA and sat there as richest nation. HOI 4 there is no yes/no to trade. It just goes automatic and recive some factories. HOI 3 it was all scripted. Japan had option to start war in China from a date early 37. Germany could start war with Poland from may 39. Invade Soviet mid 41. Attack Pearl Harbor november 41. HOI 4 I have played as Germany to 1942 in peace before was dragged into war because Portugal used a focus to attack Spain. HOI 3 remember had special forces armies, combat armies, garrison armies. Garrison armies stayed behind and protected coast and attacked rebellions. HOI 4 just have invisible garrisons. HOI 3 army organisation was so complicated and i loved it. 4 divisions with a corp commander. 4 corps and could form an army. 4 armies and formed a army group commander. And a theater commander above that again. I remember had Patton start out as a one star general in command of a division during war in Africa. Promoted to 2 star general and commanded a corp for war with Italy. After another year promoted again to 3 star general and commanded an army.

[Exarch_Alpha]

arsenal of democracy is better than HOI 3.

The bigger map brought a lot of gameplay issues - above all making it BORING. a 10 versus 10 division fight in AoD is exciting. A 3 vs 3 division battle in HOI 3 is so mundane that you lose interest in the tactical aspect of the game.

And don´t get me started on the HQ system, which had way too many levels and caused stuff like Zhukov leading one division.

HOI 3 aged like a mummy.

[REECEYBOY]

hoi5 needs to be set in 2023 plz i want to nuke my house milluim dawn is limted alot

[anbory]

As for me, HoI II always was a great semi-arcade grand strategy that had a decent balance between being too arcade and too complex. HoI III was supposed to be a step forward but it actually was a step aside instead. Although Paradox made a much more detailed map with much more detailed and complex combat system, all the other parts of the game were completely broken/unfinished and the game itself was feeling like a failed experiment. Political system was non-existant, no puppet states, espionage was worthless, some strange Red ALert-style Cyrillic fonts for Comintern, tech system had some fresh ideas like theoretical and practical experience, but it was a step back in everything else comparing with HoI II. Also, the game had hardcore railroaded scripts, sometimes it was ridiculous to the point Soviet Union and USA were always declaring war on Germany the same in-game hour Britain had capitulated.

Also, the modding community was dead. There were a few mods like Black Ice but it was nothing compared with HoI II modding community. And none of these problems were ever adressed by Paradox. HoI IV, even if it was quite clunky on release, was the breath of fresh air

[Viceroy Günther von Lichler]

Kinda sounds like HoI3 was a bit of a anomaly then and HoI4 for all its faults still represents more of a return to form. Not quite sure how i feel about that, the AI is so bad, but it kinda sounds like its never been better either.