Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

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MxKirin Dec 21, 2022 @ 2:51pm
Why are the Allies so damn weak and the Axis so damn Strong?
Bro i was playing the United States just chilling sleeping building my Navy and Air force and industry till i am awakened by japan attacking the Philippines you know the historical stuff i go over to Asia and Japan has like 70% of China in 1940 with china at 15% to capitulation i go over to Africa and Italy has taken the entire Eastern Part of the continent with Vichy controlling the Western Part then i see German Troops in London like how they get there and now the axis controls the entire Continent of Asia Europe and Africa like why is Britain and France so Incompetent its like i have to join the war at the very start for the allies to have a chance against Germany and this is all in 1940 i mind you 1 year after The Second Great War started on Ironman Mode with Achievements on so i did no strengthening with anybody
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|H|H| Fr3ddi3 Dec 21, 2022 @ 4:26pm 
Because the game revolves around Germany and Japan being strong enough to do the things they need to do in order to win.

Because Germany has to fight a 2 front war against 3/4 major powers.

Because you have the benefit of knowing history, and are not forced to make the same mistakes the Allies did.

Because the AI is not meta gaming the focus tree to remove negative national spirits, they are forced to do things in a specific order.

Because the Allies have to pull off a naval invasion against the largest land army in the game, and unlike a player they don't prepare for it by crushing the Luftwaffe first.

So on and so forth.

The Allies are not weak, the Allied AI is and that is partly by design and partly because of the naval problems.

I also imagine you failed to lend lease the ever lasting ♥♥♥♥ out of everything you built to the China, the Allies and Russia.
MxKirin Dec 21, 2022 @ 6:14pm 
Originally posted by |H|H| Fr3ddi3:
Because the game revolves around Germany and Japan being strong enough to do the things they need to do in order to win.

Because Germany has to fight a 2 front war against 3/4 major powers.

Because you have the benefit of knowing history, and are not forced to make the same mistakes the Allies did.

Because the AI is not meta gaming the focus tree to remove negative national spirits, they are forced to do things in a specific order.

Because the Allies have to pull off a naval invasion against the largest land army in the game, and unlike a player they don't prepare for it by crushing the Luftwaffe first.

So on and so forth.

The Allies are not weak, the Allied AI is and that is partly by design and partly because of the naval problems.

I also imagine you failed to lend lease the ever lasting ♥♥♥♥ out of everything you built to the China, the Allies and Russia.

None of that Excuses why the allies are so weak the game revolves around WW2 and the ability to change the history of WW2 by going through multiple different paths for different countries its not a Axis Victory game

that is why if you put Japan and its puppets to fight the USA itself the USA will Almost always win all you just said does not give the right for Germany and japan and even Italy to be 100 times stronger than the allies hell

Germany is so strong they can solo both the united states France soviet union and the UK solo if there was no Ocean between the major powers also the UK would barely be a trouble for Germany both in AI and Player in fact the AI Germany always blocks the AI UK from posing a threat to it once the fall of France happens

Yes they do not know the Future unlike the player but they should still have pushed through which is what the actual allies did and succeeded not fail and then just get conquered by Germany that is not an excuse as to why the Axis are 100 times stronger than everyone else where a Historical AI Germany can easily defeat the Historical AI British Royal Fleet which is one of the strongest fleets in Hoi4 as well as the Real Ww2 a Year after they started the War with The UK

Also i in fact did i sent thousands of Guns Trucks Tanks and Support Equipment Hell even Oil to China and the Allies but for china it was too late since they were already half gone once the lend lease act was Doable and Russia was never in the war at all i had a deficit of -100K guns because of how much i was lend leasing to countries fighting the Axis and it still was not enough

The Axis can still be strong and Hold its own in a 2 front war because there meant to do that they historically did just that there is no excuse to make them that Overpowered against the rest of the world in 1940 i mind you yeah its okay to make them a little stronger so Vichy France and the Conquest Barbarossa is Easy for the amount of time the National Spirit is up for Barbarossa but i said a little not so huge that Japan can beat the entirety of the Chinese United Front in just 3-4 Years or Germany beating the British Royal Navy in 1 year Even Italy can stomp all over the UK in Africa

The Axis needs a Debuff or Instead a Buff to the Allies Minus the US since the Us is Perfect already for the time of ww2 as since its the global economic superpower it should be strong
bri Dec 21, 2022 @ 6:36pm 
If the US sits by and does nothing then it is likely the Axis will win, which is historical. The US did not sit by and do nothing in the real world after all...
Donut Dec 22, 2022 @ 3:52am 
Originally posted by bri:
If the US sits by and does nothing then it is likely the Axis will win, which is historical. The US did not sit by and do nothing in the real world after all...

Well they did sit by for awhile but did end up joining to help

i think its important to mention that they weren't in the war from the start
Last edited by Donut; Dec 22, 2022 @ 3:53am
Tomus Dec 22, 2022 @ 9:18am 
The Axis have an early advantage but if you don't make use of it then the Allies will always stomp on you. Allies you just have to play the long game and you will normally always win.
TasteDasRainbow Dec 22, 2022 @ 9:29am 
Axis have stronger early game
Allies have stronger late game
Axis win early or Allies win late
without balance like that there is literally no ww2
Originally posted by Donut:
Originally posted by bri:
If the US sits by and does nothing then it is likely the Axis will win, which is historical. The US did not sit by and do nothing in the real world after all...

Well they did sit by for awhile but did end up joining to help

i think its important to mention that they weren't in the war from the start
no, nuckleheadmcspazamatron

the USA was sending an unfathomable amount of food, guns, ammo, clothes, trucks (1 million to the soviets alone), tanks, planes, raw materials, advanced industrial components, fuel, porn, tobacco, women, turbolasers, and anything else you can think of a war economy might need

they hadn't signed the paper that said "wii fite nao"

but for all intensive porpoises they were at war long before the end of '41

:murica::murica::murica::murica::murica::murica::murica::murica::murica::murica:
TasteDasRainbow Dec 22, 2022 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by Donut:

Lend lease and actually being in the war aren't the same thing but your american so the low expectations i had set are already met
it is when the shipping to provide that lend lease is attacked on the sea constantly and you're forced to defend yourself, thereby engaging the enemy as a combatant.

Not to mention the US commitments in and around China preceding pearl harbor.
Panda V4 Dec 22, 2022 @ 11:06am 
Should have sent massive amounts of land lease to allies, like USA did in real life.
Fighteraviator120 Dec 22, 2022 @ 11:13am 
simple, the ai is bad
Perc Dec 22, 2022 @ 11:36am 
the allies are weak because you're bad at playing the USA
Originally posted by TasteDasRainbow:
Originally posted by Donut:

Lend lease and actually being in the war aren't the same thing but your american so the low expectations i had set are already met
it is when the shipping to provide that lend lease is attacked on the sea constantly and you're forced to defend yourself, thereby engaging the enemy as a combatant.

Not to mention the US commitments in and around China preceding pearl harbor.
damn bro, he deleted his post after you cranked that historical soldier boy so hard
Myll Dec 22, 2022 @ 12:26pm 
The PDX Game Designer should have designed in some "fail mechanisms" so that once Germany attempts to invade Russia all the way to Moscow, it would start to drain available manpower from Germany proper, to the point that Germany cannot refill empty personnel slots in units. The fact that the game allows a takeover of land, and then 100% of that land suddenly "fights for the owner" is also silly. There should be more Partisan activity, and less cooperation for the public to provide manpower, and even when manpower is provided, it should have come with generic Nerfs against abilities (such as a 10-25% lower performance for Germany pulling personnel from Czech lands after taking it over -- and even lower performance from former Russian provinces that Germany captures on their march to Moscow -- it's as if the Game Designer forgot about the Scorched Earth strategy of the Russians).

So, yeah - I don't mind the overwhelming dominance on the front end of the game, but a degradation of manpower and effectiveness was not properly designed into the game.
Noldo Dec 23, 2022 @ 6:32am 
Well, where to start.
To explain, talking about power, I will be comparing AI vs AI, because human to AI is incomparable.

What makes Allies weak in the game:
Allied AI programmed to fail completelly in the Pacific. Japan hhas aerial dominance and Naval Dominance. Allies should try to find, engage and destroy Japanese Navy. But US Navy ius on a Strike mission on Hawaii, never ever geting to a combat ever. British snd only very small fleets, which get destroyed by the Japanese. On the other hand, Japanese navy is very active even with major fleets. So, on historical, Japan dominates pacific in 47-48, being able to reconquer Malaya at that time no problem. Also, US should surpass and dominate Jpana primarly by naval production, but also by technology, doctrine and logistics in 44 the latest. They don't. When Europe is free from Axis, and there is peace, no European nation ever sends anything against Japan.

AI gives all Axis units under one control, so they get unified logisitics distirbution, unified front & strength distribution, unified attack. For Allies, it mostly doesnt. So Allies are not able to do synchornized attacks, and they commonly overextebnd supply hubs anbd ports. So, when Allies get ever to France, there is a line of 1-2 well supplied Axis units looking on a stock of undersuplied Allied units, belonging to X nations, who will never attack united, or even dare to attack at all.

Production - Historically, US was able to Lendlease most of UK army, Lend-Lease to the SU, and massivlelly outproduce both Axis and Japan. Soviet Union itself was outproducing Germany AF. In game - US military production hardly even catches up with Axis alone, so the US has not enough to send to the Soviet Union.

Allies were able to bombard germany into oblivion - in game - heh.

Historically Germany had severe lack of oil, rubber, tungsten, nickel, (food), trucks, steam engines, ... in game - no problem with anything.

Historically, Germany couldnt afford attack on the west before 04/40.. in game - half a year earlier.

Historically, Germany didnt apply total mobilization before 43-44 - in game - immediatelly.

Historically, German military procurement and production was a total mess till 43, compared to Allies and Soviet union. In game - pure perfection.

Historically, German logistics was a nightmare already before the war, in game - no issues.

Historically, Germany was almost broke and its purchase of resources was VERY complicated. In game - no issues.

Historically, German politics had many infigting, and was far from smoot. In Game - aside from some minors way hgihest PP income.

Historically, Germany began to collapse after 6M of losses. In game - 25 M of lossis and rolling! being ble to mobilize 30% of population and having Total Mobilization at the same time.

All mations, which got a reworked tree, got a TON of negative national spiritis - disjointed governments, isolationism, economic crisis, mobilization limitations, corruption, inflation, looming civil wars, etc etc. All of them. Except three - Germany, Italy and Japan. Those have no negative spirits. Because in PDX hearts and brains, fascist societies, unlike stinking democracies, are flawless.

Simply, in the eyes of PDX fascism is FLAWLESS. In every aspect. Democracies are weak, and Soviet union is a laghing stock. PDX even said that they had etuned Axis AI, but didnt tune Allied AI. Germany was left steamroling Soviet union for years, and PDX didnt care.

This game is a wehraboo/neo-nazi fan-fiction.

PDX and some poeple argument that Germany had to be boosted to get a chance. OK. Well, first - that should not mean that AI vs. AI, germany should keep steamrolling SU, and Japan steamroling China, and Allies not being able to defeat Japan and defeat Germany about in 45.

Second - they say it was made so that as an allied player it makes you try. This is a lie. OR - it would ONLY work if you play for the US, and IF you had at least a bit of capacity to save the SU, which you dont.

How does this Axis boost help the balance, when I play for SOviet union,PDX sais that SU without LL is programmed to fail, and Allied AI sends me fk all , even with +80 relations ?

How does this "balance" help when I play some minor fascist or neutral nation out of Europe, and SU collapses, and Allies act like a Zombie caught in some vines (and Axis AI doesnt)?

How does this balance help when you play an Allied or Comintern minor, or even China, and you see Allied major not being able to do anything ? I have been saving SU asa Mexico, as Dutch East Indies, as Canada,as Australia, et c. But I shouldnt!!!

Simply, PDX loves fascist countries, and hates SU.

Edit: The name, Hearts of Iron: that is what Hitler said about Reinhard heydrich, the author of the "final solution", "the Butcher from Prague" - "He has heart of Iron". So, you have the hint already in the name. Also, when you start the game, Germany is already preselected.
Last edited by Noldo; Dec 23, 2022 @ 7:12am
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