Berlin-Moscow axis, most op thing ever?

[76561198051514398]

Me and my friend were doing some good old Germany-Italy fun when I realized I could get an alliance with the Soviets.

Well, I did this and it basically combined the Axis and Comintern. All of Europe and nearly all of Asia was part of the same alliance.

Now this is fine because it was just the two of us but I could easily see this messing up multiplayer matches.

[IIIIlllIIIII]

Originally posted by JohnTheGreat:

messing up multiplayer matches.

Yup. Me and a mate did this. Allies didnt stand a chance ( Real players ). Pretty imbalanced.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Derp.

You know what is the population and industry of CCCP + Germany + Japan + Italy right? Without the US in the allies it´s is overwhelming. With US it´s almost equal.

Stop whining about stupid pseudo-issues.

[Adam Apples]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Derp.

You know what is the population and industry of CCCP + Germany + Japan + Italy right? Without the US in the allies it´s is overwhelming. With US it´s almost equal.

Stop whining about stupid pseudo-issues.

right .... you JUST reiterated exactly what OP was pointing out but added an unnecessary and irrelevant dig.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Derp.

You know what is the population and industry of CCCP + Germany + Japan + Italy right? Without the US in the allies it´s is overwhelming. With US it´s almost equal.

Stop whining about stupid pseudo-issues.

No the OP pointed out something that could make MP games a hell show. Playing as Germany is balanced out by the fact you are fighting on two fronts. Remove one of those fronts AND get a MASSIVE ally and you can conqure the entire world unopposed. All you need is some patience to get a navy.

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Derp.

You know what is the population and industry of CCCP + Germany + Japan + Italy right? Without the US in the allies it´s is overwhelming. With US it´s almost equal.

Stop whining about stupid pseudo-issues.

The CCCP alone could steam roll most of the world, you combine that with Japan and Germany? No competition

[Mister Michi]

useless thread

[Unexpected]

that's the point, it is over powered, the USSR and nazi germany had europe and asia's most powerful militaries respectively, of course they are a force to reckon with in this game

[Sir Harlz]

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Originally posted by Mr X:

useless thread

Originally posted by Unexpected Jihad:

that's the point, it is over powered, the USSR and nazi germany had europe and asia's most powerful militaries respectively, of course they are a force to reckon with in this game

They are saying the nat focus is too OP. This breaks the balance in MP. Aleady had this happen in a few games. If no one plays as USSR or the USSR player feels like being a ♥♥♥♥ and accepts the alliance. Then its GG and people tend to just leave at that point.

The alliance shouldn't be so easy to get.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Profaned Sir Harlz:

fsf

Originally posted by Mr X:

useless thread

Originally posted by Unexpected Jihad:

that's the point, it is over powered, the USSR and nazi germany had europe and asia's most powerful militaries respectively, of course they are a force to reckon with in this game

They are saying the nat focus is too OP. This breaks the balance in MP. Aleady had this happen in a few games. If no one plays as USSR or the USSR player feels like being a ♥♥♥♥ and accepts the alliance. Then its GG and people tend to just leave at that point.

The alliance shouldn't be so easy to get.

It's fine. If you have a problem with it, just make a house rule that the Berlin-Moscow Axis isn't allowed. Problem solved. Don't ruin it for those of us that play this game without other people, thanks.

[Sir Harlz]

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

Originally posted by Profaned Sir Harlz:

fsf






They are saying the nat focus is too OP. This breaks the balance in MP. Aleady had this happen in a few games. If no one plays as USSR or the USSR player feels like being a ♥♥♥♥ and accepts the alliance. Then its GG and people tend to just leave at that point.

The alliance shouldn't be so easy to get.

It's fine. If you have a problem with it, just make a house rule that the Berlin-Moscow Axis isn't allowed. Problem solved. Don't ruin it for those of us that play this game without other people, thanks.

Even from a SP point of veiw its not balanced. Stalin and Hitler hated eachother. It should take more time for the alliance to happen.

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by Profaned Sir Harlz:

Originally posted by Metal Izanagi:

It's fine. If you have a problem with it, just make a house rule that the Berlin-Moscow Axis isn't allowed. Problem solved. Don't ruin it for those of us that play this game without other people, thanks.

Even from a SP point of veiw its not balanced. Stalin and Hitler hated eachother. It should take more time for the alliance to happen.

Soviet Union didn't ever want war with the Germans to be fair, but a full on alliance would have never happened

[Bukkacracy]

Its a historical sandbox strategy game. If people want to ♥♥♥♥ up history then let them do it. Stop trying to balance the game like its going to be the next competetive multiplayer sensation. The game is litteraly built on the concept of "what if?".

[cjwasright]

The scariest thing is, it was possible historically. Following the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Stalin was ostensibly interested in maintaining a neutral/friendly relationship with Germany. If Hitler wasn't such an ideological fanatic, an alliance with Moscow in the war with the West was not out of the question. Stalin was certainly open to it, as knocking Britain and France out of the picture would have given leeway for SU to expand south into resource rich Persia, Middle East, and India. It was absolutely in his geopolitical interest to befriend Germany, even at the cost of letting it dominate most of Europe. Besides, the Russians hate English like the plague, but they see Germans eye to eye in many respects.

In 1940, when most of divisions were at the French border, the Soviet Army could have used the opportunity to steamroll into Germany and likely capture Berlin in a few weeks. But Stalin never did that, he didn't break the pact, which goes to show what attitude he had towards Nazi promises of non-aggression. "Never trust your own people, but trust Hitler" Stalin's paranoia told him.

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by cjwasright:

The scariest thing is, it was possible historically. Following the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Stalin was ostensibly interested in maintaining a neutral/friendly relationship with Germany. If Hitler wasn't such an ideological fanatic, an alliance with Moscow in the war with the West was not out of the question. Stalin was certainly open to it, as knocking Britain and France out of the picture would have given leeway for SU to expand south into resource rich Persia, Middle East, and India. It was absolutely in his geopolitical interest to befriend Germany, even at the cost of letting it dominate most of Europe. Besides, the Russians hate English like the plague, but they see Germans eye to eye in many respects.

In 1940, when most of divisions were at the French border, the Soviet Army could have used the opportunity to steamroll into Germany and likely capture Berlin in a few weeks. But Stalin never did that, he didn't break the pact, which goes to show what attitude he had towards Nazi promises of non-aggression. "Never trust your own people, but trust Hitler" Stalin's paranoia told him.

Your logic completely rules out the fact that the Soviet Union didn't have the ability to do any of those military actions.

The Soviet government was busy fixing domestic issues and was not in the mood for a war with Japan or Germany or the Allies. The Soviet Union didn't give any care to European politics as they just saw it as Capitalist/Imperial nonsense, whether the UK, French, Germans or Swiss be in control of all of Europe, the Soviets would gladly sign a non-aggression pact with any of them.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by JohnTheGreat:

Originally posted by cjwasright:

The scariest thing is, it was possible historically. Following the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Stalin was ostensibly interested in maintaining a neutral/friendly relationship with Germany. If Hitler wasn't such an ideological fanatic, an alliance with Moscow in the war with the West was not out of the question. Stalin was certainly open to it, as knocking Britain and France out of the picture would have given leeway for SU to expand south into resource rich Persia, Middle East, and India. It was absolutely in his geopolitical interest to befriend Germany, even at the cost of letting it dominate most of Europe. Besides, the Russians hate English like the plague, but they see Germans eye to eye in many respects.

In 1940, when most of divisions were at the French border, the Soviet Army could have used the opportunity to steamroll into Germany and likely capture Berlin in a few weeks. But Stalin never did that, he didn't break the pact, which goes to show what attitude he had towards Nazi promises of non-aggression. "Never trust your own people, but trust Hitler" Stalin's paranoia told him.

Your logic completely rules out the fact that the Soviet Union didn't have the ability to do any of those military actions.

The Soviet government was busy fixing domestic issues and was not in the mood for a war with Japan or Germany or the Allies. The Soviet Union didn't give any care to European politics as they just saw it as Capitalist/Imperial nonsense, whether the UK, French, Germans or Swiss be in control of all of Europe, the Soviets would gladly sign a non-aggression pact with any of them.

You're missing the point. The point he's making is that Stalin had no interest in war with Germany, but frankly didn't care much for the Allies, because he seemed reasonably sure that they wouldn't be able to actually make advances into Russia if they went to war, especially with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in effect. Stalin trusted Hitler to a degree, because he saw eye-to-eye with a number of his policies. If he didn't trust him to uphold the terms of the pact at least a bit, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact wouldn't have been a thing in the first place.