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[AiZ] Pista Jun 27, 2016 @ 5:48am
why do i keep losing?
i have a larger army and a better one but i still lose why?
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Bernie_Wiseman Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:01am 
more details please
[AiZ] Pista Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:03am 
when i atack i attack with 64 against 3 units and i still lose
Red Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:09am 
Because more does not mean better. You can be losing due to many factors, namely your width too wide, your techs are old, your supply is below normal, your units are not trained, your general is not experienced, your piercing is not high enough...This can can go on and on and on.
BoydofZINJ Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:10am 
Your units may not have any organization? You may not have your units supplied? You may be under 90% attrition for too long? Without screenshots or a very detailed explaination... no idea.

You may be attacking a province that has forts and he has radar and an encrption bonus? You may have all garrison units attacking and he has better width than you?
Last edited by BoydofZINJ; Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:11am
Bernie_Wiseman Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:11am 
yes there are many factors, but the most importants are: supply and updated weapons
Thucydides Jun 27, 2016 @ 6:53am 
Post a screenshot of the battle window during the attack. As well as a screenshot of your division desgins.

Exarch_Alpha Jun 27, 2016 @ 7:08am 
Yes, impossible to judge anything without looking at templates, tech levels, terrain etc etc.
Treehugger Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:00am 
Entrenchment sucks! :)

Attacking entrenced units, will hurt, a lot.
Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:
Yes, impossible to judge anything without looking at templates, tech levels, terrain etc etc.

Like the quote says, provide much more detail and maybe an answer can actually be given.


* That said, my number one go-to tip for this sort of question:

Beware of combat width.

Just because you have, say, 200 units attacking 20 enemy units doesn't mean all of them can attack at once. Combat width can reduce a battle to 10-on-10 pretty easily if you attack with all 200 from one tile into the enemy one.

Spread out, attack from multiple adjacent tiles, research doctrines that lower combat width, use generals that have Offensive as a modifier (which also lowers combat width), and so on.



* My number two tip:

Beware of supply.

200 units in a small region will drastically lower your supply. Logistics companies inserted in your divisions will help. Spreading out more, and even moving some units *away* from the enemy can counter-intuitively help... since your width only lets X number of units attack at once, you actually begin to *hurt* the situation my outnumbering the enemy locally too much. Very counter-intuitive, but true.



* My number three tip:

Beware of organization.

Poor organization can get you in trouble. Poor organization can lead to poor supply... as a front shrinks and narrows, the enemies that escape may accumulate in a small space in which they can still be supplied. If you rush your whole front into that narrow area and you don't manage to eliminate that cluster of enemies, then the disorganization will make it hard to attack quickly again... and in the mean-time, you have dozens and dozens of units consuming supply in a small area.



* My number four tip:

Beware of equipment losses.

Just because a division appears to have most of its equipment doesn't mean it has the vital parts. Armor is particularly vulnerable to this... if you have 200 units that all have some amount of tanks in them (be they infantry with tank support, or pure armor), then be careful to check that the tanks are not the missing equipment if you are missing things. Thus, a division can be represented as armor on your screen, but if your tank production is lagging, it might not be any more effective than basic infantry.



* My number five tip:

Beware of enemy commanders and enemy veterancy.

A high level commander can seriously punish you if you put a low level commander up against him. A high level commander with a small number of veterans can sometimes actually beat a much larger force with a worse commander.



*My number six (and final) tip:

Beware of terrain.

Attacking across a river, into a fortified hill tile, is a good way of throwing your manpower away without achieving anything.
Last edited by Aluminum Elite Master; Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:50am
Offline Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:03am 
Consider air superiority a big factor. Also terrain and equipment
Sandman Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:28am 
What causes enemy infantry units to have this insane soft attack value?

I have small arms upgraded all the way with good divisions and my soft attack is like 80 or whatever. When I fight the US in their home turf I'm going up against McArthur and his soft attack value is like 700. I can't see enemy army comp.

What's the catch?
Noel Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Sandman:
What causes enemy infantry units to have this insane soft attack value?

I have small arms upgraded all the way with good divisions and my soft attack is like 80 or whatever. When I fight the US in their home turf I'm going up against McArthur and his soft attack value is like 700. I can't see enemy army comp.

What's the catch?
you're not using artilarry. use artillery
Sandman Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by SirNoelRules:
Originally posted by Sandman:
What causes enemy infantry units to have this insane soft attack value?

I have small arms upgraded all the way with good divisions and my soft attack is like 80 or whatever. When I fight the US in their home turf I'm going up against McArthur and his soft attack value is like 700. I can't see enemy army comp.

What's the catch?
you're not using artilarry. use artillery

I normally have some divisions with 2 batteries lumped in with my infantry divisions. Is that enough?
Last edited by Sandman; Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:31am
Noel Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:32am 
Originally posted by Sandman:
Originally posted by SirNoelRules:
you're not using artilarry. use artillery

I normally have some divisions with 2 batteries lumped in with my infantry divisions. Is that enough?
if you have two rtiallary batteries I HIGHLY doubt you only have 80 soft attack, post a screenshot
Twitch.tv/KAEN_SG Jun 27, 2016 @ 9:36am 
Most people lose because they go around with doomstacks like in CK2/EU4... :P
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